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Title: Power priority trivia
Post by: NuclearWessels on May 12, 2003, 05:06:42 pm
I just ran across this power priority data listed in the OP API, and can't believe I hadn't noticed it before.

I'm not sure how (or even if) these numbers are really used of course, so take them with a grain of salt, but it's interesting to see the numbers none-the-less.

Code:

70: Cloak
60: Phaser G, Shields
55: Phaser 3
50: Phaser 1, 2, 4, X
45: HeavyPhoton, DIstruptors
39: Plasma F
35: Plasma G
31: Fusion
30: Photon, Plasma S, PPD, ESG, Phaser A/B, TRB, 
25: Hellbore, Plasma R, I, D, X, E
20: Mauler, Shuttles, Fighters, Drones, Probes, ADD,  Labs,  Sensors, Scanners,Transporters
10: Battery


EDIT: needless to say, I'm going to have a play with this and see if changing them has any impact

dave
 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on May 12, 2003, 05:10:12 pm
What does it all mean, Professor Wizard?    


 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: NuclearWessels on May 12, 2003, 05:14:34 pm
I'm guessing this is how ship's power allocations are chosen beyond our "1-5" settings: by default the power goes to the highest ranking system first if there isn't enough power to go round.

I'm guessing these are the base priorities, modified by whatever "other" factors are currently in play.  Pure speculation of course, but might turn out to be useful.

dave
 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: Corbomite on May 12, 2003, 05:21:40 pm
The problem with that theory is that some of the systems listed don't require power.
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: NuclearWessels on May 12, 2003, 05:23:21 pm
Actually I chopped out a badjillion others - they had a priority for every ship system, including those that don't use power.

dave
 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on May 12, 2003, 05:24:56 pm
So...what forces Romulan AI to cloak to the detriment of its ability to charge weapons and move at a decent rate?


 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: NuclearWessels on May 12, 2003, 05:28:28 pm
Hmmm .... interesting thought ... if the power priority for the cloak were dropped below that of the weapons and engines (instead of having absolute top priority) then just maybe that wouldn't happen.  <insert mad scientist gleam>

dave
 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: Corbomite on May 12, 2003, 05:33:16 pm
Well then if this code only affects the AI in a script, then it could be part of the behavioral controls in a mission, which would be really cool.
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: Cleaven on May 12, 2003, 05:33:52 pm
While the professor is building a radio and anti-cloak scanner out of coconuts, I'd like say that the Romulan AI wouldn't have a problem with cloaking and charging if the charge cost was dropped significantly. Not that I am biased in this in any way. Well a little bit, but not enough to worry about.  
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on May 12, 2003, 05:37:22 pm
Ginger or Mary Ann?



Anyway...I agree.  Given the current ROI on cloak in SFC2, the cost needs to be dropped dramatically.



 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: Cleaven on May 12, 2003, 05:44:06 pm
This may sound really wierd ('cos it is), but I'd like to see the cloak adjusted so that those little Bird of Prey things the Klingons have (ending in Y) are playable. Then use those power costs for the greater Romulan fleet with relative adjustment for 1st gen, Kestrel, and 3rd gen hulls.

Of course it may not work at all, but what do you expect for 30 seconds of creative thought..    
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on May 12, 2003, 05:45:16 pm
All this time and it has never been tried.  
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: NuclearWessels on May 12, 2003, 08:52:16 pm
MUHAHAHAHAHA (throws coconut at Gillig - I mean Cleaven)

Dizzy better get SG3 up soon, I'm spending too much time tinkering and exploring.

It's beginning to look like we may also be able to influence (note all the qualifiers) the rate at which things repair/regenerate ... things like fighters, shields, and warp engines.
 <evil grin>  
I'm just trying to get some accurate measurements now to see if this is really working the way I think it is.

dave


 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: FatherTed on May 12, 2003, 08:55:29 pm
 
Quote:

 Ginger or Mary Ann?



Mary Ann all the way. Ginger was a tramp.    
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: Stormbringer on May 12, 2003, 08:59:39 pm
Quote:

MUHAHAHAHAHA (throws coconut at Gillig - I mean Cleaven)

Dizzy better get SG3 up soon, I'm spending too much time tinkering and exploring.

It's beginning to look like we may also be able to influence (note all the qualifiers) the rate at which things repair/regenerate ... things like fighters, shields, and warp engines.
 <evil grin>  
I'm just trying to get some accurate measurements now to see if this is really working the way I think it is.

dave


   



Is anyone (are you) recording the results of all this tinkering into one document?
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: TOCXOBearslayer on May 12, 2003, 09:01:28 pm
Quote:


It's beginning to look like we may also be able to influence (note all the qualifiers) the rate at which things repair/regenerate ... things like fighters, shields, and warp engines.
 <evil grin>  

   



PFs?  
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on May 12, 2003, 09:19:09 pm
Quote:

 
Quote:

 Ginger or Mary Ann?



Mary Ann all the way. Ginger was a tramp.    




Agreed...Mary Ann = teh sexsay!
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: IKV Nemesis D7L on May 12, 2003, 09:27:41 pm
Quote:

Ginger or Mary Ann?
 



Mary Ann.  Ginger could not handle a Klingon.  
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: Cleaven on May 12, 2003, 10:00:25 pm
Sounds like a longer term exploration project. I don't think anybody wants to actually change the power priorities themselves too much, except for things like the cloak and maulers.

Perhaps if you could investigate maulers, (not that I have any interest in flying SparrowHawk and SabreTooth maulers) as a first option. If you can change the way maulers recharge their batteries, then there will be some rejoicing from certain Coalition captains. (Not me. Well, maybe a little bit)    
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: NuclearWessels on May 12, 2003, 11:19:25 pm
Oh you said it, this is  SOOOOOOO deep in the category of off-the-wall long-term exploration!

It isn't anything that could go into a serious pack without a LOT of testing and investigation - right now it's more in the lines of goofing around and seeing what's possible - I just happened to land on a couple of things that I hadn't realized the scripts had influence over.

I'll look into the mauler angle, it might indeed be a possibility.

dave




 
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: Julin Eurthyr on May 12, 2003, 11:40:17 pm
Quote:

Code:

70: Cloak
60: Phaser G, Shields
55: Phaser 3
50: Phaser 1, 2, 4, X
45: HeavyPhoton, DIstruptors
39: Plasma F
35: Plasma G
31: Fusion
30: Photon, Plasma S, PPD, ESG, Phaser A/B, TRB, 
25: Hellbore, Plasma R, I, D, X, E
20: Mauler, Shuttles, Fighters, Drones, Probes, ADD,  Labs,  Sensors, Scanners,Transporters
10: Battery





I recall seeing this in the OP strategy guide (or something to similar effect, SFCShadow made multiple "racial specific" charts...)

He said that these were the default power priorities.  Yes, they go from highest to lowest.  So, supposedly, a BCF that's strapped for weapons power will charge the phasers first (55 and 50 priority), then Pl-Fs (39 priority) before charging the Photons (30 priority).

The kicker is that if I had put all my power into higher-priority items, I should not be able to use any lower-priority items until I free up power.  And, IIRC, most movements are up around 80-90...

So, by these charts, while performing a full-speed run at a convoy, with all available power going to ECM, weapons & speed (in that order), I should not be able to beam marines over until I slow down, finish recharging my weapons, or jack down my ECM in order to provide power to those priority 20 transporters...  Of course, that's not the case...

So, I consider this (right now) very salty.  Of course, I am interested in what the results of your experiments are...
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: Corbomite on May 12, 2003, 11:51:38 pm
A transporter action could be covered by battery power.
Title: Re: Power priority trivia
Post by: NuclearWessels on May 13, 2003, 08:07:32 am
From what I can tell, the interaction between weapon and non-weapon systems is overridden by other factors - i.e. we can pretty much toss out that chart except for the relevant priority of weaponry.  I'm still not 100% sure of that, but that's my feel so far.

The experiments continue of course (Dizzy get that server up! )

EDIT: I should point out, this is OP only - we don't have access to all the associated code in EAW

dave