Topic: Gorn question......

[mdutr0]

 I know that there aren't too many gorn pilots out there anymore but i've got a question.

 Gorn's can launch multiple SS's at once right?  So how many?  And how in God's name do you have time to convert them all before the battle?  Or do you just convert them as you can during the fight and then use them all at once?

Thanks.

Micah  

[KATChuutRitt]

Most Gorn ships (and some ships of other races) can launch multiple shuttles at once.  The number depends on the ship.  They can be converted during the course of the mission.

I started out as a Gorn before switching to Kzin (mirak) as my primary race, but when I was gorn I really loved this feature.  Tractor opponent, launch plasma and suicides HET and boom!!!

[Corbomite]

IIRC, Gorn CA and larger hulls can launch 3 shuttles at once and the CL's and smaller can launch 2. It's been awhile since I tested them all, so I don't know if this applies to all of them though. It is rare you can just fly up to a ship and pound it at the beginning of a game (unless you are fighting the AI) so it is pretty easy to get multiple shuttles ready.  

[KATChuutRitt]

If I'm not mistaken the BCH can launch 4 at once.

[Mog]

I think all the CAs can launch 4, and possibly even the CLs.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I hate to change the subject off of ships, but... whatever became of the Gorn?  Not in-game, but in Trek lore.  
I assume the race is still mucking about in the 'Next Generation' setting, correct?  


 

[Hosstyle]

Well I found this:

http://www.sci-fi-online.50megs.com/reviews/comic/02-12-27_TrekGorn.htm  

[Alidar Jarok]

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I hate to change the subject off of ships, but... whatever became of the Gorn?  Not in-game, but in Trek lore.  
I assume the race is still mucking about in the 'Next Generation' setting, correct?  


 

They were planned to be used as a new enemy in the Dominion War.  They designed a cool light cruiser for them.  For some reason they decided to go with the Breen instead.  I think they were still mentioned as being part of the loosing side.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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I hate to change the subject off of ships, but... whatever became of the Gorn?    

Luggage    

[FatherTed]

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I hate to change the subject off of ships, but... whatever became of the Gorn?    

Luggage    

I understand that around 2310, the Confederation was strapped for cash, and was bought out by the Samsonite Corporation and Tony Llama.    

[Corbomite]

OK just tested it again and Chuut is right. CA's and Dreds can launch 4 and all the rest can launch 3.

[Kroma_BaSyl]

The Gorn did make TNG appearances via the books though. We love to dance too.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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The Gorn did make TNG appearances via the books though. We love to dance too.  

The "luggage limbo" perhaps?  

[TarMinyatur]

The Gorn CL, CL+, CLF, COM, COM+, COMF, HDC and all CA's and DN's can launch 4 shuttles simultaneously.

The Gorn DD's, BD's, HDD's, CM, CS, and MCC can launch 3.

The Gorn FF can launch 2.

I don't think the Gorn need to use the dubious and devastating (up to 100 damage) Range-Zero SS exploit to compete...but apparently Taldren and enough players do. So be it. At least I got to try SFC 2.014b which had a missile-style myopic zone for suicide shuttles (which I thought was an acceptable restriction) although a 1 second arming phase would have been my ideal solution to fix the RZSS exploit.    

[Kroma_BaSyl]

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The Gorn CL, CL+, CLF, COM, COM+, COMF, HDC and all CA's and DN's can launch 4 shuttles simultaneously.

The Gorn DD's, BD's, HDD's, CM, CS, and MCC can launch 3.

The Gorn FF can launch 2.

I don't think the Gorn need to use the dubious and devastating (up to 100 damage) Range-Zero SS exploit to compete...but apparently Taldren and enough players do. So be it. At least I got to try SFC 2.014b which had a missile-style myopic zone for suicide shuttles (which I thought was an acceptable restriction) although a 1 second arming phase would have been my ideal solution to fix the RZSS exploit.    

Exploit????? Thought this was by design. Gorn are known for their external shuttle bays.


....and it is the "luggage limbada" BTW

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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The Gorn CL, CL+, CLF, COM, COM+, COMF, HDC and all CA's and DN's can launch 4 shuttles simultaneously.

The Gorn DD's, BD's, HDD's, CM, CS, and MCC can launch 3.

The Gorn FF can launch 2.

I don't think the Gorn need to use the dubious and devastating (up to 100 damage) Range-Zero SS exploit to compete...but apparently Taldren and enough players do. So be it. At least I got to try SFC 2.014b which had a missile-style myopic zone for suicide shuttles (which I thought was an acceptable restriction) although a 1 second arming phase would have been my ideal solution to fix the RZSS exploit.    

Exploit????? Thought this was by design. Gorn are known for their external shuttle bays.


....and it is the "luggage limbada" BTW

Actually, what were the rulles in SFB regarding SS range and timing?  Did they have a myoptic zone?

I've never had an issue with the Gorns launching all of these SS shuttles.   I thought it was a nice bit a racial flavor leading to the training-mantra "NEVER over-run a Gorn!!!!"    

[TarMinyatur]

All seeking weapons (including Suicide Shuttles) launched at range zero can be shot at with phasers before they explode in SFB. The same thing applies to missiles. SFC's "myopic zone" (range 1.0 in SFC1.03 then 0.5 in SFC2) was invented by the game's programmers to overcome the inability of phasers to provide point defense against seeking weapons that are launched inside the target's model. (Does anyone recall the SFC1.01 D5D with Type IV missiles? Ships like this could do 144 point volleys everytime their model overlapped with its target.) This was addressed with the missile myopic zone with which we are all very familiar. This solution was never applied to Suicide Shuttles in a public patch for whatever reason. As an alternative, I think that if the target can't defend itself with PD then the launching ship should at least receive feedback from the instantaneous detonation of its SS's.

Another note; the legendary Gorn balcony and track system that allowed a high volume of simultaneous shuttle launches (usually carrying marines for planetary assaults) could not be used for Suicide Shuttles...a decision likely based on extensive play-testing.

     

[Scipio_66]

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I don't think the Gorn need to use the dubious and devastating (up to 100 damage) Range-Zero SS exploit to compete...but apparently Taldren and enough players do. So be it. At least I got to try SFC 2.014b which had a missile-style myopic zone for suicide shuttles (which I thought was an acceptable restriction) although a 1 second arming phase would have been my ideal solution to fix the RZSS exploit.    

In SFB the Gorn CA could launch 6 shuttles all at once.  This was a result of the famed Gorn balcony-and-track shuttle system.

 Look carefully at the picture of the SFB Gorn miniature in Kroma's signature above.  Those six silver circles you see on the wings are the external launch pads.  No need to cram shuttles through an airlock, the Gorn would send all six shuttles out onto the wings via  the balcony-and-track system.  Then they'd all sit on the external launch pads until they received the "go" order.  You can see the lights shining out of the shuttle bay doors in my own sig below, but the focus of these lights splashing onto the ship's wings sort of hides the six launch pads.

The drawback to all this was, if you took an aft hull hit then a shuttle was destroyed instead.  I'm not sure why Taldren decided to reduce the Gorn launching ability from 6 to a mere 4.  <shrug>  But it might be because suicides couldn't use the balcony.

As for what happened to all the Gorn pilots, there are still quite a few of us who fly in the D2 and we are doing just fine.    We would be most overjoyed if you'd come fly with us when the next D2 server kicks off.

-S'Cipio  

[mdutr0]

Alas! I am restricted by a firewall thicker than the front sheild of an R-KHK by by benevolent university.  I will be leaving the dorms soon however......


Micah  

[Scipio_66]

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Originally posted by Micah
Alas! I am restricted by a firewall thicker than the front sheild of an R-KHK by by benevolent university.  I will be leaving the dorms soon however......
 

Ouch!  Well, your loving academia minders must protect your fragile brain after all.  Suppose some corruptive influences were to sneak their way out of the internet and into your head in between classes?  The horror!

Actually, I can understand why schools and businesses get a bit paranoid with their firewalls.  Please keep us in mind when you get out of the dorms.  We'll still be around.

-S'Cipio