Topic: I just bought all SFC1 & 2 (Read 12338 times)

Admiral_CRS · « **on:** January 28, 2003, 10:32:52 pm »

I played sfc3 for a while and am waiting for the patch so I bought sfc1&2&OP.

So far I have only played sfc2 & OP as the federation and have really enjoyed the "carrier" ships.

Which race has the best carrier ships and fighters?

-CRS

3dot14 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2003, 10:44:44 pm »

speaking of patch, you of course do realize that they need patchs too. Right?

http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/patches_sfc2.shtml
http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/patches_sfcop.shtml

back to topic.

I personally like the Hydran Carriers the best. Almost all of their ships carry some fighter.

Admiral_CRS · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2003, 10:47:08 pm »

First thing I did was download the patches from interplay! I should be up to date unless there are patches not available there.

Pestalence · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2003, 11:08:52 pm »

Interplay is way off on the current patches... They stopped support about a year ago even though Taldren kept supporting the games...

I have all the current patches and officially released Bonus material available on my web site

Starfleet Command patch :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc12.html

Starfleet Command 2 Empaires at War patch :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc22.html

Starfleet Command 2 Orion Pirates patch :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfcop2.html

Starfleet Command 3 The Next Generation patch :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc32.html

Now the patches i have are for the Full install of the Starfleet Command games.. so since you DL'd the Interplay patches.. you will need to uninstall your game using control pannel add / remove programs.. then delete the game directory (for SFC 1 it is the 14 East folder, for SFC 2 EAW it is the Taldren folder, For SFC 2 OP, it is the Taldren Software Inc folder, SFC 3 TNG only has bonus mission of Nemisis add on available and the DirectX9 patch)...

Reinstall game then get the patches from the appropriate site above..

no waiting list to download patches as they are local on my site...

SFC 1 has special install instructions that are detailed on my web site so please follow all instructions on patching exactly...

I hope that this information helps..

warsears · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2003, 11:42:03 pm »

cool Web site Pestalence awful nice of you to put up the patchs

Corbomite · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2003, 01:28:50 am »

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Which race has the best carrier ships and fighters?

-CRS

Hydrans and Mirak have the best fighters, but the Feds and Klingons have the best BCV's as far as battle effectiveness after the fighters get killed off. ISC Caveat III's are really nasty too, but very short ranged and the Tort III's aren't bad either. Both the Hydrans and the ISC get 12 fighters on their BCV's as opposed to 8 on everyone elses. Look in your SFC2 EAW folder and look for a file called MANUAL ADDITIONS. It gives all the fighter loadouts and damages for the weapons. Unfortunately they did not include that file in OP, but they are all the same. Don't forget the PF races either. 4 - 5 plasma F's can ruin your day too and that's just one of the four that most Tenders carry!

Davey E · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2003, 06:25:15 am »

Congratulations you have bought a real Starship simulation

Now you will really learn about tactics,
Something that does,nt exist in SFC3

Mog · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2003, 06:44:19 am »

Davey, there are tactics in SFC3. Admittedly, they cannot be executed as precisely as in the older games because of the lack of accurate information, but you can still saber dance or starcastle in SFC3.

Genesis · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2003, 07:02:40 am »

The tactic is every where.. hmm where shall i start....

ohh right refit of your ship.. lets see all are feds iam kling... my plolos can hit from 50 and dis 4 from 42 so if i stay away from 35 i shuld be clear of the feds phasers...

and if i dotn need to get close i dont need as much tractor ore transporters ore armor.. more mass for computer and cloak...

if just warp araund and atack from loong rances i dont need a big truster.. more to speed and so etc... etc...

The tactic is still there just a new virety of itt......

Its about to have the right ship to do the job at minimum cost. .... Just like the real deal in life....

Whiplash · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:11:56 am »

Lack of information doesn't have a whole lot to do with it.

Yes, you can saber dance, but the effectiveness of such tactics is low. Most of the tactics developed for SFC2 exploited the differences between the race's heavy weapons. The weapons in SFC3 are much more similar than they were in SFC2.

The main tactics to exploit in SFC3 are related to how you build your ship. That is what most affects how you fly.

Information wouldn't change much. Its not likely to create new tactics.

W.

NJAntman · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:16:17 am »

Whoaaa... I must have missed something, or been asleep, or just getting to dang old too understand......

"SFC 3 TNG only has bonus mission of Nemisis add on available and the DirectX9 patch )... "

What is the DirectX9 patch for? I plead my ignorance, this is the first time I've heard of it. (I humbley grovel for more info, please

)

P.S. Thank you for your site! The true nature of the net as it should be, easy exchange of information.

Pestalence · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:26:21 am »

Direct X 9 patch is for those who have installed Direct X 9 on to their systems... the SFC Direct X 9 patch allows SFC 3 to play under the Direct X 9 enviroment and is HIGHLY recommended by taldren to use for online gaming...

David Ferrell stated that he Highly Reccommends that everyone wishing to play SFC 3 stabily online upgrade their systems with Direct X 9 faound at [url=http://www.microsoft.com/directx/

then patching SFC 3 with the direct X 9 patch from either my web site or the Activision web site...

SFC 3 would crash using Direct X 9 on the playing system with out the SFC 3 DirectX 9 Patch as the game looks speciffically for Direct X 8.1

Direct X 9 gives better stability for direct play across the internet (some more stability should be evident with the squashing of bugs in the upcoming SFC 3 patch)

Direct X 9 has connection issues with previous versions of DirectX, especially Direct Play, and since the majority of SFC 3 players online are using DirectX 9, it has been reccommended to upgrade.... and patch for DirectX 9.

NJAntman · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:18:57 am »

Thank you for clearing that up. My immediatte reaction at seeing Patch is to cringe, but in a nutshell if its working now with Direct X 9 it ain't broke ( I must have installed the patch somewhere and not realized it, which itself is a little scary

).

ghostcamel · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:30:05 am »

I agree you can Saberdance, ie. go for the long range sower shieldwhittling and eventual internal/hull damage in SFC3. The saberdancers regular dancing partner is usually the starcastle. But, it doesn't work like that in SFC3. SFC2 had an inexhaustible, though limited by other systems requirements, shield reenforcement energy supply. This was pulled from the warpcore at anytime. In SFC3 the extra energy comes from the other three shields. And the only way to replenish the available pool of shield energy is to wait. The rate of damage most enemies can output is greater than the shield regeneration rate.

You can actually shoot at the front arc to prep an attack on the rear shields. And since the castler is sitting still, they won't be able to prevent the dancer from hitting the now weakened shield. Starcastling don't work no more.

Not to mention the whole AV situation, and how weapons and movement are powered individually. Going fast only really helped in SFC2 with plasma and drones, in a direct-fire slugfest turning speed and arcs were most important. Just like in SFC3, except SFC3's arcs are all wacky.

Another problem is that becuase there is zero info on the game mechanics and numbers, we really can't say for sure which race is the best saberdancer ***Cough*** Feds***Cough***. We can't even say what range is considered saberdancing range anymore. And again, we must mention the whole AV situation.

3dot14 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:34:06 am »

Guys won't all these IIvIII debate constitute hijacking the thread?

Mog · « **Reply #18 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:57:57 am »

Starcastling in SFC3 is different in SFC3, least in my opinion. I guess what I really should have called it is Kaufman Retrograde

Admiral_CRS · « **Reply #19 on:** January 29, 2003, 02:19:56 pm »

I followed the instructions provided to install all of the patches for SFC1 but it won't allow me to play singleplayer campaigns or skirmishes? Anyone know what the problem is?

Pestalence · « **Reply #21 on:** January 29, 2003, 02:55:41 pm »

Admiral CRS,

Email me directly and I will help you...

My Email is pestalence@startrek.net

thanks

Lepton1 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 29, 2003, 09:59:35 pm »

I just bought SFC2 as well for the first time and I am having a cd key problem. The one I enter that is on the case is registered as the wrong one, so can't play the game at all. Can't even get to the game. Did anyone else have this problem when they bought SFC2?

3dot14 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 29, 2003, 10:04:04 pm »

I don't think it's case sensitive, but make sure you enter all the "dash"s (-)as printed.
Also make sure the one you have is 20 alpha numerical digits long. (NOT 16) If it's 16. Then it's a Orion Pirates CD Key. Try to get an exchange where you bought it.

Dash Jones I think you are right! I was wrong about "all-times". (also there is a no-cd for sfc3 1.00 in existence.)

Lepton1 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 30, 2003, 01:20:53 pm »

yeah, I have tired it with the dashes, without them, with spaces, without, caps, no caps. Damn thing just won't work. And it is a 20 alpha-numeric code, so that isn't it either. Unfortunately I bought it over the web from Amazon.com. So, I am not too sure what its return policy is on opened software, not to mention that its customer support people would be unlikely to be able to understand or care about a CD key issue that is the fault of some other company. They do not guarantee your purchase in any way except that you will get it. So kind of stuck until Taldren or Interplay can give me a solution. But, thanks anyway.

TalonClaw · « **Reply #27 on:** January 30, 2003, 07:02:28 pm »

Are you having this problem with XP or Win98?

Admiral_CRS · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2003, 10:32:52 pm »

I played sfc3 for a while and am waiting for the patch so I bought sfc1&2&OP.

So far I have only played sfc2 & OP as the federation and have really enjoyed the "carrier" ships.

Which race has the best carrier ships and fighters?

-CRS

3dot14 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2003, 10:44:44 pm »

speaking of patch, you of course do realize that they need patchs too. Right?

http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/patches_sfc2.shtml
http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/patches_sfcop.shtml

back to topic.

I personally like the Hydran Carriers the best. Almost all of their ships carry some fighter.

Admiral_CRS · « **Reply #30 on:** January 28, 2003, 10:47:08 pm »

First thing I did was download the patches from interplay! I should be up to date unless there are patches not available there.

Pestalence · « **Reply #31 on:** January 28, 2003, 11:08:52 pm »

Interplay is way off on the current patches... They stopped support about a year ago even though Taldren kept supporting the games...

I have all the current patches and officially released Bonus material available on my web site

Starfleet Command patch :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc12.html

Starfleet Command 2 Empaires at War patch :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc22.html

Starfleet Command 2 Orion Pirates patch :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfcop2.html

Starfleet Command 3 The Next Generation patch :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc32.html

Now the patches i have are for the Full install of the Starfleet Command games.. so since you DL'd the Interplay patches.. you will need to uninstall your game using control pannel add / remove programs.. then delete the game directory (for SFC 1 it is the 14 East folder, for SFC 2 EAW it is the Taldren folder, For SFC 2 OP, it is the Taldren Software Inc folder, SFC 3 TNG only has bonus mission of Nemisis add on available and the DirectX9 patch)...

Reinstall game then get the patches from the appropriate site above..

no waiting list to download patches as they are local on my site...

SFC 1 has special install instructions that are detailed on my web site so please follow all instructions on patching exactly...

I hope that this information helps..

warsears · « **Reply #32 on:** January 28, 2003, 11:42:03 pm »

cool Web site Pestalence awful nice of you to put up the patchs

Davey E · « **Reply #35 on:** January 29, 2003, 06:25:15 am »

Congratulations you have bought a real Starship simulation

Now you will really learn about tactics,
Something that does,nt exist in SFC3

Mog · « **Reply #36 on:** January 29, 2003, 06:44:19 am »

Davey, there are tactics in SFC3. Admittedly, they cannot be executed as precisely as in the older games because of the lack of accurate information, but you can still saber dance or starcastle in SFC3.

Genesis · « **Reply #37 on:** January 29, 2003, 07:02:40 am »

The tactic is every where.. hmm where shall i start....

ohh right refit of your ship.. lets see all are feds iam kling... my plolos can hit from 50 and dis 4 from 42 so if i stay away from 35 i shuld be clear of the feds phasers...

and if i dotn need to get close i dont need as much tractor ore transporters ore armor.. more mass for computer and cloak...

if just warp araund and atack from loong rances i dont need a big truster.. more to speed and so etc... etc...

The tactic is still there just a new virety of itt......

Its about to have the right ship to do the job at minimum cost. .... Just like the real deal in life....

Whiplash · « **Reply #38 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:11:56 am »

Lack of information doesn't have a whole lot to do with it.

Yes, you can saber dance, but the effectiveness of such tactics is low. Most of the tactics developed for SFC2 exploited the differences between the race's heavy weapons. The weapons in SFC3 are much more similar than they were in SFC2.

The main tactics to exploit in SFC3 are related to how you build your ship. That is what most affects how you fly.

Information wouldn't change much. Its not likely to create new tactics.

W.

NJAntman · « **Reply #39 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:16:17 am »

Whoaaa... I must have missed something, or been asleep, or just getting to dang old too understand......

"SFC 3 TNG only has bonus mission of Nemisis add on available and the DirectX9 patch )... "

What is the DirectX9 patch for? I plead my ignorance, this is the first time I've heard of it. (I humbley grovel for more info, please

)

P.S. Thank you for your site! The true nature of the net as it should be, easy exchange of information.

Pestalence · « **Reply #41 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:26:21 am »

Direct X 9 patch is for those who have installed Direct X 9 on to their systems... the SFC Direct X 9 patch allows SFC 3 to play under the Direct X 9 enviroment and is HIGHLY recommended by taldren to use for online gaming...

David Ferrell stated that he Highly Reccommends that everyone wishing to play SFC 3 stabily online upgrade their systems with Direct X 9 faound at [url=http://www.microsoft.com/directx/

then patching SFC 3 with the direct X 9 patch from either my web site or the Activision web site...

SFC 3 would crash using Direct X 9 on the playing system with out the SFC 3 DirectX 9 Patch as the game looks speciffically for Direct X 8.1

Direct X 9 gives better stability for direct play across the internet (some more stability should be evident with the squashing of bugs in the upcoming SFC 3 patch)

Direct X 9 has connection issues with previous versions of DirectX, especially Direct Play, and since the majority of SFC 3 players online are using DirectX 9, it has been reccommended to upgrade.... and patch for DirectX 9.

NJAntman · « **Reply #42 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:18:57 am »

Thank you for clearing that up. My immediatte reaction at seeing Patch is to cringe, but in a nutshell if its working now with Direct X 9 it ain't broke ( I must have installed the patch somewhere and not realized it, which itself is a little scary

).

ghostcamel · « **Reply #43 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:30:05 am »

I agree you can Saberdance, ie. go for the long range sower shieldwhittling and eventual internal/hull damage in SFC3. The saberdancers regular dancing partner is usually the starcastle. But, it doesn't work like that in SFC3. SFC2 had an inexhaustible, though limited by other systems requirements, shield reenforcement energy supply. This was pulled from the warpcore at anytime. In SFC3 the extra energy comes from the other three shields. And the only way to replenish the available pool of shield energy is to wait. The rate of damage most enemies can output is greater than the shield regeneration rate.

You can actually shoot at the front arc to prep an attack on the rear shields. And since the castler is sitting still, they won't be able to prevent the dancer from hitting the now weakened shield. Starcastling don't work no more.

Not to mention the whole AV situation, and how weapons and movement are powered individually. Going fast only really helped in SFC2 with plasma and drones, in a direct-fire slugfest turning speed and arcs were most important. Just like in SFC3, except SFC3's arcs are all wacky.

Another problem is that becuase there is zero info on the game mechanics and numbers, we really can't say for sure which race is the best saberdancer ***Cough*** Feds***Cough***. We can't even say what range is considered saberdancing range anymore. And again, we must mention the whole AV situation.

3dot14 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:34:06 am »

Guys won't all these IIvIII debate constitute hijacking the thread?

Mog · « **Reply #46 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:57:57 am »

Starcastling in SFC3 is different in SFC3, least in my opinion. I guess what I really should have called it is Kaufman Retrograde

Admiral_CRS · « **Reply #47 on:** January 29, 2003, 02:19:56 pm »

I followed the instructions provided to install all of the patches for SFC1 but it won't allow me to play singleplayer campaigns or skirmishes? Anyone know what the problem is?

Pestalence · « **Reply #49 on:** January 29, 2003, 02:55:41 pm »

Admiral CRS,

Email me directly and I will help you...

My Email is pestalence@startrek.net

thanks

Lepton1 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 29, 2003, 09:59:35 pm »

I just bought SFC2 as well for the first time and I am having a cd key problem. The one I enter that is on the case is registered as the wrong one, so can't play the game at all. Can't even get to the game. Did anyone else have this problem when they bought SFC2?

3dot14 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 29, 2003, 10:04:04 pm »

I don't think it's case sensitive, but make sure you enter all the "dash"s (-)as printed.
Also make sure the one you have is 20 alpha numerical digits long. (NOT 16) If it's 16. Then it's a Orion Pirates CD Key. Try to get an exchange where you bought it.

Dash Jones I think you are right! I was wrong about "all-times". (also there is a no-cd for sfc3 1.00 in existence.)

Lepton1 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 30, 2003, 01:20:53 pm »

yeah, I have tired it with the dashes, without them, with spaces, without, caps, no caps. Damn thing just won't work. And it is a 20 alpha-numeric code, so that isn't it either. Unfortunately I bought it over the web from Amazon.com. So, I am not too sure what its return policy is on opened software, not to mention that its customer support people would be unlikely to be able to understand or care about a CD key issue that is the fault of some other company. They do not guarantee your purchase in any way except that you will get it. So kind of stuck until Taldren or Interplay can give me a solution. But, thanks anyway.

TalonClaw · « **Reply #55 on:** January 30, 2003, 07:02:28 pm »

Are you having this problem with XP or Win98?

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Pestalence

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