Topic: EAW or OP, which is better when fully patched? (Read 18397 times)

FireSoul · « **Reply #80 on:** June 01, 2003, 02:06:16 pm »

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I've always found OP to be less stable and more prone to lag. <shrug>

I know EAW has SQL support, but I'm not aware of anyone using it for a big public server. The current SG3 campaign is using the flatfile because SQL doesn't seem to like having a lot of players on at once. Hopefully admins are still trying to solve this. What EAW truly has is a dynaverse and a map that work with less bugs and fewer admin headaches. And fewer outside-of-the-source material features that no one wanted anyway.

I would be prone to believe the contrary, actually.. ..
Betcha the 2 games have the same lag.

Anyways.. I play OP pretty much exclusively .. because I don't see why play EAW when there's so much more on the other side of the fence.

The_Infiltrator · « **Reply #81 on:** June 01, 2003, 02:40:42 pm »

2 Things: OP's D2 is broken, and the horrible X ships. Remove both as a factor and it's better.

FireSoul · « **Reply #82 on:** June 01, 2003, 02:45:12 pm »

Who said OP's D2 was broken?
.. have you tried it since the last patch? ..

.. and as for the Xships, you don't have to play them if you don't want to. You know that.

kosh2000 · « **Reply #83 on:** June 01, 2003, 02:54:52 pm »

Here i will say it i dont care flame suit is now on

EAW SUCKS

OP ROCKS

FireSoul · « **Reply #84 on:** June 01, 2003, 03:51:20 pm »

I wouldn't say that it sucks. It's a far cry better than nothing at all..

.. but I agree that OP is better. It completely confuses me to watch people play EAW .. and insist on it too.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #85 on:** June 01, 2003, 05:10:01 pm »

That is a trick question, as neither game is fully patchable, as the games were never 100% finished/corrected.

That being said, EAW has ALL the patches it is going to get, whereas OP has the gameplay portion of the last patch, but not the multi/D2 part of the patch, so EAW is more stable/less likely to cause you to put a 10mm hole in your monitor than is OP.

Once OP gets the multiplayer part of the patch and IF it works... then there will no longer be a reason to play EAW as it is inferior in the availablity of ships, races, weapons, etc.

HAND!

FireSoul · « **Reply #86 on:** June 01, 2003, 06:07:00 pm »

Again, AJTK, I disagree.

OP beats EAW hands down in standard multiplayer and single player modes.
As for the D2, I hear that even on EAW they use the flatfile DB for the big servers.

This is my opinion: There is no way in hell EAW is better than OP.
-- Luc

Magnum357 · « **Reply #87 on:** June 01, 2003, 06:12:27 pm »

Heck, I like both games. I just wish I could play OP on Gamespy just once. I haven't tried playing EAW on GS but I should experiment and see if I can. If OP can fix multiplayer and I'm able to at least play on GS, I would pick OP over EAW.

Hey, does anyone know where I can get the latest patch for EAW? I have the latest for IP (2538) but I can't play on GS for some reason (I'm just a modem user). I would like to experiment playing EAW online since I can't do it with OP.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #88 on:** June 01, 2003, 06:50:12 pm »

The latest EAW patch can be had here I believe:

http://www.sfcx.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1

You can also get the OP patch from SFCX, as well as a variety of other downloads, including the mission packs and shiplists.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #89 on:** June 01, 2003, 06:51:34 pm »

Oh, and OP no contest. It's just got more, and you don't certain things you don't have to use it so...

T-Rex_IEA · « **Reply #91 on:** June 01, 2003, 07:14:16 pm »

here is a news flash for all who have been saying OP is better than EAW and vice versa,

op IS eaw and eaw IS op. The only real differnce in the two is the ship selection and the differnt bugs each has. They both play the same for me i.e., same game engine, therefore same gameplay. there is no real gameplay differences at all.

In my humble opinon OP should have been a true expansion to EAW, and many others believe this as well, That ios why most old timers dont play it, its not because that it is bad but because of the way it was released. Taldren kinda stabbed everyone in the back on that one. They COULD have made it a stand alone AND an EAW expansion but chose not to, SO we are stuck with two almost identical games to play .

I say Live with it and play whichever one you want to.

T-rex

Cleaven · « **Reply #92 on:** June 01, 2003, 07:36:10 pm »

Being somebody who plays online from a long ways away, I have found OP to be more stable for multiplayer, in so far as I don't drop as much. There are still the occasional D2 problems but it is probably not right to compare the lastest EAW server with 30 or 40 on it, to OP with 10-15 players.

So, with the latest updates making the OP weapons and rules the same as EAW, OP wins on gameplay because it has extra weapons, graphics, and stability.

D2-wise there are now features, like neutral co-op that seems to mostly work which, in my mind, leaves EAW for dead. The only hindrance is that admins are more familiar with using the older, simpler EAW server settings. But, like a petrochemical economy, it can't last. EAW is listed as final, while OP is awaiting at least one more update. Not to say that somebody couldn't do again to EAW, but what's the point? If you are going to spend time adding to a game, then add to OP on the basis of coding lessons learnt from SFC3 which is supposed to be based on the OP code. (OP is supposed to a generation ahead of EAW in code but I have only had this explained to me by outsiders.)

When OP-D2 didn't work there was no question. Now that OP D2 has been demonstrated as no longer suffering from the old problems this is no longer a valid stance.

I'm pretty sure OP uses a later version of DirectPlay too.

FireSoul · « **Reply #93 on:** June 01, 2003, 07:45:13 pm »

I ran 'strings' on the OP exe. It is a small linux application that removes any non human-readable charaters and allows you to read any text left. .. and based on the symbols I saw, the 2 games use the same DirectPlay version. In fact, I'm pretty sure this game would run on DirectX 7!

.. however.. to call both games "identical" .. HELL NO. They may be very similar, but they are far from being identical. Hell, I submit my shiplist as a good reason to play OP over EAW.

-- Luc
FireSoul

Cleaven · « **Reply #94 on:** June 01, 2003, 08:09:51 pm »

I guessed that a later version of DirectPlay was the reason for the better stability.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #95 on:** June 01, 2003, 10:43:22 pm »

no contest.. OP.

the only problem with OP presae - is the dyna hex thing with the pirates layer underneath.

op as a matter of fact has always had more stable multicode than EAW. it is also true that no campaign that i am aware of actively uses sql - thats op or EAW..

op has more arcs (boom arcs anyone?), more ships (wyn,LDR, some monitors)- and an advanced era.

i agree - i have never understood why some believe that eaw is superior. its not. if i had to put my money somewhere - it would be in op.

3dot14 · « **Reply #96 on:** June 02, 2003, 01:27:44 pm »

Guys: Being Good and Being Popular are two different facts.

OP is Better, EAW is more popular.

GE-Raven · « **Reply #97 on:** June 02, 2003, 01:46:25 pm »

EAW is better now in my mind for one reason...

No one plays OP on GSA.

70 or so everynight for EAW. There it is folks... when you get EVERYONE to move... I might too.

GE-Raven

jimmi7769 · « **Reply #98 on:** June 02, 2003, 01:52:28 pm »

Maybe if you move everyone else will follow.

The_Infiltrator · « **Reply #99 on:** June 02, 2003, 01:54:20 pm »

The simple fact is that as long as there are X ships in the default shiplist many won't come within miles of it.

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