Oh, and Atheorhaven, I cannot find anythihng specifically relating to the Truespace .cob translation to 3dmax... I did get a demo download newsletter, and have to wait on it... I am not doubting you, just curious if you were positive on that... those programs they sell like Deep Exploration, etc., have 3dmax plugins, but what about converting those .cob files to .3ds? I'm getting lost, heh heh!