Topic: the defiant sucks (Read 16010 times)

jdmckinney · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2003, 08:21:02 am »

If we went with the way these HERO ships performed in the various shows, and made those excessive capabilities (i.e., plot devices to let the heroes win every time) the norm for ships of the line, then there would be no reason to HAVE other races as playable. It's close enough as it is.

By the way, wasn't the Defiant destroyed? What about the Enterprise (several times)? Let's see more of that aped from the shows/movies.

Actually, I think we have a pretty good approximation of the hero ships already: compare SFC3's legendary crews in the hands of players vs. the AI -- it's kind of like TV, where the good guys (the high-paid stars of the show) always win against the bad guys (the low-paid fringe actors and extras). So, if you want to feel like Sisko in the Defiant, stick to fighting AIs. But, if you want a good, competitive game, don't expect a Norway to take out a Vor'cha (at least I hope it doesn't).

Anyway, I have to agree with Emerald on the proxies -- it's criminal the Klingon photon is not only WEAKER than the Fed one, it also can't proxy.

3dot14 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 31, 2003, 12:07:18 pm »

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The Defiant is not a CL, if we went with the way it performs in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, it should be better than a Galaxy.

Well said.

THEN CLASSIFY IT AS A BCH! (or BF) with the neccesary maintanence costs and purchsing costs.

Nomad. Remember Klingon phoont loads faster than Fed photons. (in line with their strike first strike often philosophy. at least that's the philosophy in sfc2.)

Cruis.In · « **Reply #42 on:** January 31, 2003, 12:24:16 pm »

it seems to me the only added thing the defiant has going for it is the shield piercing. it can only hold about 4 of its best weapons, or (2 quantums 2 pulse,) (3 photons, 2pulse)

the shields are kind of weird. i put 4 front and rear, and 3 on each side which leaves 500 mass over.
i also have put 5 front, 4 rear, 3 starboard, 2 port.

type 4 armour, type 4 cpu, type 1 trans, type 2 tract, type 7 thrusters, type 4 warp and impulse.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #43 on:** January 31, 2003, 12:58:40 pm »

Threedot,

Yeah, I know they load faster. I think that may make up for the damage being lower than Fed phots, but I still don't get the lack of proxy.

mathcubeguy · « **Reply #44 on:** January 31, 2003, 04:14:44 pm »

Forget the pluse phasers and go with three Quantums. Thats your killa.

Thanos1 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 31, 2003, 05:06:05 pm »

Ubercheezy Defiant config (barring 4AMMs and speed 100)

2 quantums, 2 photons, 3 phaser9

With legendary tac, that's 12 torpedoes in a single shot...

-suleo

NannerSlug · « **Reply #46 on:** January 31, 2003, 05:12:49 pm »

all i have to say on the matter is this..

no other ship has 4 forward heavy hard points.

its not invincible or perfect.. but for the price, it does wonders.. i would for the price to rightfully, be jacked up.

its underpriced.. its that plain and simple.

now.. lets talk about the price and bpv of a sphere prime.

mathcubeguy · « **Reply #47 on:** January 31, 2003, 05:13:39 pm »

But multivollied torps dont do but about 40% damage and do not necessarcerily all hit.

Cruis.In · « **Reply #48 on:** January 28, 2003, 06:02:43 pm »

As I much as I like the idea of the Defiant. it just plain sucks,

with only 3 places for primary for weapons that bites...and with pulse phasers going to be nerfed in the upcoming patch even more thats worse. i mean that dang ship only has 2 pulse phasers, and a 1 in 6 chance of firing a shield piercing shot thats 2 out of 12, and they take way longer to recharge than a phaser type F.

so as much as i like the lil ship, it sucks in this game.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #49 on:** January 28, 2003, 06:07:33 pm »

lol the defiant dosnt suck but your maths does, its actually one of the most cheese ships in the game imo.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 28, 2003, 06:09:56 pm »

I would beg to differ. The defiant is the best DD in the game. While I rarely play Federation, I have known Federation players to keep a defiant class for extended periods, often circumventing the Intrepid, the Excelsior, and sometimes even the Akira and Nebula. This ship is powerful in that is has forward arcs in excess of most other federation ships, combined with the maneuverability and power to pull it off. On one of my few endeavors in Federation play, I have used the defiant to single handedly kill two human klingon CCs. It is likely because it flies in a similar fashion to a well-outfitted romulan ship that I was able to have this level of profieciency, but it is still a formidable DD. This is what I think of when I ask myself what romulan ships should resemble.

Alexander

Vysander · « **Reply #51 on:** January 28, 2003, 06:11:43 pm »

fast manueverable defiant + quantums + legendary officers = blown up enemy ship

I hate that ship with a passion after flying a torpedo boat version of it. Load, get in reasonably close (this part isn't required either), fire, leave a smouldering wreck behind, repeat.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #52 on:** January 28, 2003, 06:19:09 pm »

Yeah that was a much more diplomatic way of saying it, either Ive been playing Klingon a lot recently or Ive had e few beers, maybe both.

Artie · « **Reply #53 on:** January 28, 2003, 06:32:45 pm »

Oh yeah, having the most forward facing heavy weapon mounts isn't enough. The reason the patch is taking so long is because Taldren is having problems instaling the two rear heavy mounts, more engine mass, and a mini-bar for the Defiant.

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Firestorm · « **Reply #54 on:** January 28, 2003, 07:07:02 pm »

Defiant = cheeze

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 28, 2003, 07:21:30 pm »

my, what fascinating similes we use...

jdmckinney · « **Reply #56 on:** January 29, 2003, 09:06:06 am »

As someone I know would say if he were to post here, THE DEFIANT IS NOT A DD.

It is classed as a CL, and probably falls somewhere in between the DD and CL categories -- in SFB it would be a War Destroyer, which most would recognize is generally superior to a stock CL in firepower, but weaker in hull. That description fits the Defiant to a T.

The ship is an attrition unit -- cheap to build (in the game, that means cheap to buy and readily available at the shipyard) but packed with weapons. It is a perfect ship for those who like to be able to deal a lot of damage, fly fast, and out-maneuver their opponents, all while staying competitive with CA-sized ships at a fraction of the price. The only thing wrong with it is the other races don't really have an equivalent design.

I don't agree with its hardpoint layout, specifically having more heavy hardpoints than primary ones, but I gather Taldren is standing firm on this mistake (their decision). Otherwise, it is an ideal vessel for the role it should, and does, play.

Aenigma · « **Reply #57 on:** January 29, 2003, 09:18:05 am »

Let's just say the defiant is comparable to the shrike in aesthetics and speed, but it punches a lot harder.

Aenigma

Cruis.In · « **Reply #58 on:** January 29, 2003, 09:36:04 pm »

what has my maths got to do with it. that was a dumbass remark. either say something constructive or dont say anything at all.

ALexander, whats the configuration that you like on the defiant?

Artie? there making more changes to this ship? more engine mass, i guess would allow for more maneuverability or warp power.

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