Topic: ANNOUNCMENT (Read 14924 times)

DONOTDELETE · « **on:** January 27, 2003, 07:38:04 pm »

I will no longer be making models for SFC. Taldren has no idea how to judge models.

MrCue · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2003, 07:39:14 pm »

forget taldren, do it for the good of the people, we all (i hope) love your models.

MrCue · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2003, 07:41:29 pm »

Do you think LB should give up making Models?
Yes
No

3dot14 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2003, 07:57:17 pm »

now now...

don't be mad. After all art judging is a very inprecise thing. Don't take a contest too personally, it's not about one winning or losing, it's about a display of models.

Don't give up, as long as someone appreciates your work, it's not in vain.

lleggs · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2003, 08:00:38 pm »

there are plenty of players who enjoy modder's work

I, for one, appreciate everybody who's still devoting time and energy to SFC2

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2003, 08:01:38 pm »

Well, Lets look at the some of the models that won, there is no way skinman's ship should have won with some of the other ships that were entered, and this last round, I think Rick knox and myself had some of the best ones. Im not saying that I SHOULD have won, but the one that did, should not have.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #6 on:** January 27, 2003, 08:01:52 pm »

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now now...

don't be mad. After all art judging is a very inprecise thing. Don't take a contest too personally, it's not about one winning or losing, it's about a display of models.

Don't give up, as long as someone appreciates your work, it's not in vain.

I'd be mad if I were him too.. he entered in some of his classic stuff in these rounds, plus new stuff that's been asked for (like that new Rommie variant based off the new one from Enterprise.. and did it in more than one round. Not a nod, or even that much of an acknowledgement.

I'm more than annoyed as well, because my two entries never were even mentioned as being entered! This despite being sent in the day *after* round 3 ended so that I could be sure to have it in in time for round 4. I wouldn't have minded not winning, but I wanted to at least *see* my models as being entered...

James Formo · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2003, 09:07:07 pm »

Hey L B your models are awesome. From my limited efforts I know how much effort goes into em. Especially the quality ones . If you don't model for SFC it would be a great loss to the community. I'd hate to see you leave. I understand though. You gotta follow your heart man. Good luck in your future endeavers.

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DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2003, 09:17:39 pm »

My heart just tells me that Taldren only picks the models by people they like. Not the ones that deserve to win. They seem to judge the models on a "friend" basis. Like Skinman, he knows some of those guys, so naturally, he won a round. DamoclesX (who is a friend of mine) is well liked by Taldren, so naturally he wins a round. Trekke runs Starfleet Universe, his ship was very good also, but naturally, he also is in the "friend" catagory" because SFU has been around since sfc1 came out.Then you have people like Myself, who Taldren DOES NOT like, Rick Knox, who Taldren DOES NOT like for different reasons.

I just happen to think that the contest was judged extremely UNFAIR. The only 2 models that won a round that deserved winning were by DamocleX (They picked the one he thought was his worste) and Trekke.

So if my specualtion is incorrect, by all means tell me, I could be blowing this all out of proportion. But I believe I have wasted my time on this contest, especially since I made 2 of the ships I entered specifically for this contest.

Lord Vader · « **Reply #10 on:** January 27, 2003, 09:20:06 pm »

Dave, That Avatar A is my Model, you should have downloaded it and looked at the readme file....hehe and sorry LB I wish you would have won, you entered soem kick ass models! I lvoe youre new promethus!! best one yet!

starforce2 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2003, 09:26:36 pm »

Where can I see pix of all the entries? I'm curious.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2003, 09:32:35 pm »

in the announcment forum, that Unfortunatly, Ive been watching since friday. I'm shocked Dave Ferrel hasnt said anything to me about this. just shows how much Taldren doesnt care about the veteran modelers here. i have been making ships for this game for near 5 years. Its pretty disappointing. Nice going Taldren. Youve succefully aliented another modeler with your lack of appreciation and total disregard for the people that keep your games going.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2003, 09:40:07 pm »

to be honest, I think that was only said, but not enforced. otherwise I think Rick Knox would have won this round.

Reptor7 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:01:14 pm »

As an artist, I have entered work (paintings) in many shows. The winner sometimes causes me to arch an eyebrow LOL! But it's the act of creating that I most enjoy. If I happen to win one, that's great. If not, I'm happy to have even participated, as that's what's important anyway.

A lot of shows have the "People's Choice" award, in which the people themselves pick the work they like best. Perhaps a "People's Choice" model poll that's sanctioned by Taldren is in order. The results may be surprising.

There were many, many good models to choose from. I've judged art myself, and it's not an easy task. Good job to all you modelers and thanks for sharing you work. Congrats to the winners!

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #18 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:08:50 pm »

Obviously Skin Man, you havent read all of my posts. i Dont think about just myself. I think your ship that won the third round was completely unworthy compared to cleeves ship. i would have much rather lost to his model. its nothing personal, just my opinion. So you have a degree and I dont, does that mean, in your eyes, I cant have an opinion on this? I have just as much right as you do to state what i think on a PUBLIC forum. As I said, i dont care only about myself, but I DO think that the models that won round 3 and 4 were not the best. Im sorry if it hurts you that i dont think your model was the best.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:20:55 pm »

Well, im sorry, but by voicing my opinion, one of the results of that is going to be insulting to someone, no matter what. but as a modeller, I can see whats what, and the winners of the last 2 rounds were not the best, and there are many people here that agree with me, but dont want to lose face in front of others. thats their right, and it IS my right to disagree with the results, and im sorry, but it will offend the winners. there is no way for me to say my opinion without someone getting upset in this case, thats life, i deal with it everyday at my job. you cant sugar coat the truth.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #23 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:27:18 pm »

you know, Ive always noticed how the big people, like game companies in this case, like to turn what someone says against them, because they cant think of something to say or do to resolve the situation. maybe its not that they cant , but since they are high and mighty, they just dont want to, it would be beneath them to do so.

James Formo · « **Reply #26 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:34:52 pm »

I know this maybe doesn't fit with the reat of this thread but here goes. Many contests have different levels based on experience. This model contest lumped modelers who completed there very 1st (or close to it) model with some who are semi professional. I think it was unfair to lump everyone with various experience abd judge there models side by side.

Then the prize is books on how to model and modeling software. It is pretty obvious that the winners don't need the books and already have the software. That is my 2 cents. I know it wasn't asked for but I consider it my right as an American to express it.

Moonraker · « **Reply #27 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:49:34 pm »

you know im so happy that im not that active around here anymore. just listen to all of this crap...
look what a simple contest turns into now.
there were some nice models, and some not so nice ones from what ive seen.
some of the winning ships are not that fantastic and to be totally honest at the risk of being flamed for voicing my opinion like LB, had i entered such a contest i would have expected better from taldren and the judges.

im not taking any sides here, but its just my thoughts on things...

Brad Bowermaster · « **Reply #29 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:52:42 pm »

Normally I wouldn't interfere, but this has gone too far. LB, just stop, please. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but your reasons are guided by your anger, especially the whole friends thing. Most of us do not talk to Taldren employees out side of this forum, simply because they are busy. Do you see special, exclusive content on SFU? No, they treat us as equal as any other fan site. I've even been 'told off' by Bradley Schenck. Yes, I was a little miffed when he did that, but did I get upset and yell at him? No, because Bradley Schenck along with the rest of Taldren are hard working people, they have their bad days just like the rest of us.

Just think about it. Is this argument worth it? This thread is only making you look bad and damaging your reputation. You want to become a professional modeler, think how this post is making you look to prospective employers. Its just a contest, there will be others. So take some time off, take a breather, and clear your head. In the end, you should be modeling for yourself, not the approval of others.

3dot14 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:59:35 pm »

Com'n LB, be reasonable.

Say what you want, the Best model in your view may not be the best in others. You should at least acknowledge that all of the winners are good models and have a chance to win, by saying "so and so don't deserve" is not helping your case. Remember Free Speech is not completely free. (you can't hurt people with your speech.)

It's a judgement call. and the judgement didn't go in your favor. Are you disappointed? well you have a right to be.
But don't start pointing finger at the winners as if they did something wrong.

You don't agree with the choices. Fine, voice it. (i didn't agree with one myself, one I wasn't entered into.) but it's the judges opinions that counts. It's not the others fault that the judges like theirs.

True you are not speaking for just yourself. But still the fact remains: the judges didn't agree with your assessment. And they are within their rights to. Imagine if you are in the judges seat, and I come accusing of foul play while you honestly "didn't like" mine, What would you think? After all "doesn't like" happens ALL THE TIME in arts be it visual, theatre, or writing. It's all about whether the audiences' subjective whims. You can't score art (Figure Skating anyone?) the way one scores multiple choices...

You didn't win, doesn't mean you lost. (I know it's spliting hairs...) But it doesn't have to be a blow to your prestige, it's just an improvement of someone elses... Don't make this any more awkward than it already is.

Please LB, reconsider.

James Formo · « **Reply #31 on:** January 27, 2003, 11:20:49 pm »

Looks like the plug got pulled

Brad Bowermaster · « **Reply #33 on:** January 27, 2003, 11:53:51 pm »

Mr. Graham, you are greatly misinformed. You are basing your judgment on Taldren's artists upon works that have to meet guidelines as opposed to LB's work which only meets the guidelines he sets himself. Assuming you are complaining about the stock models, Taldren's artists must create models and textures, to be able to run on anyone's computers, which forces a polygon restriction and texture size limit. While Taldren models must be under ~1,500 polys and can only have textures of 256x256, LB's and any modeler's model for that matter, can be any poly count they choose (usually within the 3,000-4,000 range) and include textures up to 512x512. Community Modelers don't have to worry about the 'lowest common denominator,' because they can simply say, "if it doesn't work on your machine, I can't do anything about it," while Taldren has to ensure that every model works in game to meet the minimum specs on the box. Maybe you should reconsider your views on Taldren's artists.

Lord Bile · « **Reply #34 on:** January 28, 2003, 12:12:22 am »

As I said in my other thread to Dave, I was wrong, and Brad is correct, they do have many restrictions. and it also makes the deadlines harder to meet when you have restrictions, because it can take longer to stay within the limitations by trying to reduce polyes and such.

They are the Professionals. We are the Modders, we make it the way we want it as long as our own machines can handle it, thats our only limitation.

resistance is futile · « **Reply #35 on:** January 28, 2003, 12:43:06 am »

I just like to say that the ships listed as done by Viper1 were actually Deemons ships, there was a mixup.

Paladin · « **Reply #36 on:** January 28, 2003, 12:59:18 am »

For what its worth to the guy that won, I really loved your winning entry and thought that it should have won. There was definitely alot of great models and i can see how it was hard to decide. I think that some of them that didnt win here, could have definitely won earlier rounds if they were sentt in earlier, but they didnt. Congrats. Are they for d/l anywhere?

jrstandfast · « **Reply #37 on:** January 28, 2003, 01:45:41 am »

I make my living both by Judging and being Judged. I train and also Judge Horseshows.

The best observation I have ever heard came from an old Texas Judge who quite frankly dumped on me pretty hard in a class.

I asked him why. He said.

"Son, all things being equal I just didn't like your horse. But... that's only my opinion and it only lasts a day."

Ducttapewonder · « **Reply #38 on:** January 28, 2003, 03:29:50 am »

I had a conversation with one of the greatest modelers around here last week. We discussed how this contest would serve no purpose other than to feed some and trash others egos, and how he refuses to submit his work to it.. I for one liked this place a lot better when we were'nt arguing about about crap like.........

"MY MODEL IS BETTER THAN YOURS....SO THERE

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This once was a place where we could all come to share our work and learn new skills. But anmymore, this is what is happening.......

WIP THREAD...3 REPLIES...................BICKERING THREAD....40 REPLIES.

It almost makes me feel like posting about my work is not worth my time and less important than moaning and groaning. With all due respect to the Taldren staff, I think you should reconsider running this contest any longer. We are at risk of losing "MORE" great modelers from this community because of it.

Just my $.02

TheBigCheese · « **Reply #39 on:** January 28, 2003, 07:31:22 am »

LB,

I entered my model in the second round (the romulan frigate) ,it was the first model I have ever made.I thought it was the best and should have won also seeing as I made it ESPECIALLY for the competition unlike other entries but I lost and took it on the chin.Dont have tantrum's man get over it and do better stuff ,you know you can!

Prove the critic's wrong

Viper/VR · « **Reply #40 on:** January 28, 2003, 07:44:24 am »

I think this thread needs to be closed now, dont you think admins/moderators???

Xethemez · « **Reply #42 on:** January 29, 2003, 12:46:24 pm »

Is there any chance that all of us here can just pretend this never happened?

I have a great respect for your work LB, I think the Scorpion is a very well made and origonal ship - and I am not the only person who thinks this. But the competition was not designed to put people down, it was just a bit of friendly competition.

So is it possible we can let it drop and get back to modelling?

Xethemez · « **Reply #43 on:** January 29, 2003, 12:50:00 pm »

Ignore my quote for the duration of the thread... It destroys my argument

CptSavage · « **Reply #44 on:** January 29, 2003, 01:26:03 pm »

NEver mind. JUst stop the contest all together, it has caused too much friction. I've been through alot myself, family wise. THat isn't my point. Everything is falling apart everywhere.

Lets do this. Stop the contest, and forgive all. No hard feelings.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #45 on:** January 29, 2003, 01:55:11 pm »

Um, I enjoyed the contest and thought the choices were superb.

Lord Bile · « **Reply #46 on:** January 29, 2003, 01:55:28 pm »

I've already dropped this. Its not my fault people keep posting in this thread now.

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