Topic: Dizzy, you @#$#$% jerk (Read 9065 times)

Dan · « **on:** May 15, 2003, 05:37:42 pm »

Please remove MY models from your server NOW.

You know, the ones you never asked to use in your mod or if you could alter and basicly act like you made them.

Nothing pissed me off more than someone just taking something and assuming they have blanket permission to do any damn thing they want with it.

My models are up for people to use. If someone wants to change them I'd have expected them to ask me first. And I sure as hell woudl have expected someone to ask before dumping them into a server mod.

Get them the hell off your server Ditzy. You should have asked first.

SSCF Hooch · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:53:11 pm »

Dan, I will ask then if we can use them. Please don't cause the server to be delayed any more.

Please...

Hooch

jimmi7769 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:03:40 pm »

I'm pretty sure I remember Dizzy saying something a long way back that he had tried to get ahold of the guy that made them but never got a reply back.

Dan · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:08:42 pm »

The only email I've EVER gotten from Ditzy is him asking me if I wanted to help on a server project he was thinking about running. I didn't want to. I told him that.

He has my email. He's never tried to asked if he could do what he did.

I want them removed now. The jerk should have asked first. Particuarly before changing the models and seemingly acting like he made them when all he did was replace some of the texture files.

jimmi7769 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:11:06 pm »

where are you models at??

Dizzy · « **Reply #5 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:14:13 pm »

First off, I never took credit for the tholian mods. I wasnt the first to use them. Day of the Eagle was the first server to use them by Scipio. They have been used even before that.

I D/Led the models off of this website: http://sfc.strategy-gaming.com/brezgonne/thol_sy.shtml

There were no restrictions preventing free use of these models according to what I have read.

Here is the access granted to D/L the models from your site:

Quote:

Provional Access to the Primary starship assemply area is granted.
Please select the ship you would like to view by using your pointing device to click on one of the ships in the primary fleet display.

If the unit you are searching for is not part of the primary fleet continue your search under the PTFD.

If you wish download the geometry and tactical specifications for all current Tholian ships select the below link.

Here is the Readme from the Download:

Quote:

Well, now.

First off, thank you for downloading this model pack. I hope you enjoy using it.

Contained inside this zip file are a number of files.

Files with the extension .mod are the model files
Files with the extension .exp are the ShipEdit3 export files
Files with the extension .bmp are the texture files

Credits/History:

Ship Design: ADB, Michael Woodcock
Mesh: Brezgonne
Textures: Brezgonne

Installation:

installation is fairly easy. First, open the zip. If your reading this you've already done that. next hit the extract button. This should bring up a window that asks where you want to extract the models to. locate your SFC2 folder. It's normally located at c:\program files\taldren\Starfleet Command II.

Click on the folder when you find it. Now in the lower left corner of the window there should be a checkbox labeled "use folder names". If it's not checkmarked then checkmark it.

Now simply hit the extract button in that window and it will instal the models into the place the shipedit export files will look for them.

Here is a copy of 'part' of the credits for the free models used in my D/Leds:

Quote:

***General Information***

Well, now.

First off, thank you for downloading this model pack. I hope you enjoy using it.

Contained inside this zip file are a number of files.

Files with the extension .mod are the model files
Files with the extension .bmp are the texture files

***Credits/History THOLIAN SHIPS:

Ship Design: ADB, Michael Woodcock
Mesh: Daniel Thompson
Original Textures: Daniel Thompson
Modified Textures: Dizzy

You have credit. I am not taking credit.

Quote:

My models are up for people to use.

These models are up for ppl to use. I sent you an email way back when 1st starting this project to see if you wanted to join me in putting it together. Instead you brushed me off completely and said you NEVER played the game anymore...

Now this server is for these ppl on this community. You models are fantastic. I take credit for nothing.

I know there is not a soul you despise in this commumity more than me, we have certainly had our share of differences on opinions over the years, but to deprive the community of a server like this just because of your loathing for me... is not nice.

Now, I ask you to please set aside you differences with me and let this community enjoy your work. I'll sit the whole thing out. I didnt do this for me, Brezgonne. I did it for them.

But dude, your D/L and models were free D/Leds, with no restrictions on them. They werte used in a previous server. I havent taken credit for their mesh. I listed you as the credit. An I'm sure I honored your name more than once.

I have been in discussion with Wicked Zombie, who created a model specifically for this server... The difference in his Readme file and yours is that he asks to be given notice of any changes and then of course to be listed in credit. Your D/L and Readme file had no such notice.

If you really feel you do not want this community to use your models, then you tell them that. If you dont want ME using them, thats another matter and I will comply. I agree not to and will stay off the server completely. But this isnt about me, Brez... I did this server for them, and thats who you made the models for...

Dan · « **Reply #6 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:15:09 pm »

http://sfc.strategy-gaming.com/brezgonne/

is where he got the originals from.

Dizzy · « **Reply #7 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:16:26 pm »

What do you want Brez to let these other players play this server?

You want me to mail you my copy of EAW so I cant play the server. What is your mailing addy?

Dan · « **Reply #8 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:26:51 pm »

Right. Demonize me for you f(*&^ing up.

Zombie has that in there because he's had this problem before. I haven't. Your the first that I'm aware of.

Telling me another server has done some of what you have doesn't help your case. THey should have asked to.

I couldn't care less if you play or not. I do care when someone takes something I've made to change, repost, and include in a server pack without so much as a word.

Ask any of the modellers from way back when and they will probably tell you that I hate people kitbashing other peoples models.

You screwed up Ditzy and your trying to blame me for it. Well to quote your old favirote saying:

STFU and remove what you never asked to use.

Hondo_8 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:55:18 pm »

Is there a way that this can be sorted out? Im not excusing any thing done by those that have used your models in the past or even confess to knowing what the proper way to solicate permissin to use them, or what permisson is needed to do what with other folks work on models. Is there a solution that can be worked?

KOTH-Steel Claw · « **Reply #10 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:56:47 pm »

What Hondo said.

jimmi7769 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 15, 2003, 07:14:02 pm »

Here is a copy of 'part' of the credits for the free models used in my D/Leds:
Quote:
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***General Information***

Well, now.

First off, thank you for downloading this model pack. I hope you enjoy using it.

Contained inside this zip file are a number of files.

Files with the extension .mod are the model files
Files with the extension .bmp are the texture files

***Credits/History THOLIAN SHIPS:

Ship Design: ADB, Michael Woodcock
Mesh: Daniel Thompson
Original Textures: Daniel Thompson
Modified Textures: Dizzy

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Credit given where it needed to be given.
I guess I don't understand what the problem is.

Green · « **Reply #12 on:** May 15, 2003, 07:19:35 pm »

agree

Komodo · « **Reply #13 on:** May 15, 2003, 07:26:00 pm »

I probably shouldn't stick my nose in this, but I just can't resist. WTF is the modeller mentality? Why put up stuff to share, then put restrictions on it? The way I see it, if you put something out there, hope you get credit for it, but don't expect it. I've never been able to comprehend this conditional shareware they trade, which is one reason I pretty well ignore that Forum. Lots to boast about, but short on co-operation.

Laflin · « **Reply #14 on:** May 15, 2003, 07:33:09 pm »

Geez, from the vitriol I saw when I opened this post I figured I was in the mod forum

. Actually I figured it was just another rant against Dizzy - wasn't disappointed at all! Just trying to figure out why it was posted here and not in the mod forum or privately?

KRolling · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2003, 07:50:19 pm »

Ok.... everybody just take a deep breath and hold on a moment, ok??

It'll get worked out.

Just don't post anymore here and get any more flames going. Please.

Stand by.....

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #18 on:** May 15, 2003, 08:05:39 pm »

Deep breaths are currently underway so no more posting here please

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