Topic: FINALLY..... now I can give my opinion about the VOYAGER series!

[Magnum357]

On one final note.  I've seen in all three series (TNG, DS9 and now VOY) that star Fleet uses those god awful uniforms 30 years later.  I sure hope Star Trek doesn't use them later (if their ever is another Star Trek).  I mean, comon!  Those latest uniforms with the Gray coat are great.  They should use those uni's for the next few decades (like Star Fleet used with total red uniforms in all the movies and early part of the 24th century).  My brother made the comment "those are god awful uniforms that Star fleet uses at this time, they look and fit like pajama's!!!".  I* agreed with him, I hope this is not the future, lol.

[Praxis]

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Because she quit the show, which kinda screwed up their planning.

Plus she mentioned the year of hell in the future I believe (she was going backwards through time). Plus everything that happened was erased anyway.

Time Travel, whose dumb idea was that.......... theoretically, if time travel was possible, you couldn't alter the past at all. You couldn't go back in time and change something, because it's the past, you were meant to go back and change something. The good old temporal paradox. "What if you went back in time and killed yourself, you'd never have used the time machine in the future, so you could never have gone back in time, so how could you have killed yourself?"  

Simple.  Alternate realities.  When you go back in time, you create a 'split' in the timeline.  Watch Back to the Future 2, they explain it :P  (Yes i actually understood everything Doc said.  Sounds scary, doesn't it?)

Lets say using Star Trek time travel i went back in time and killed myself.  By killing myself i created an alternate time line in which i am dead.  The original timeline is me living then in the year 2003 i get in a time travel machine and disappear.  The new time line is, say, in 2000 i appear in a time machine, kill the other me, and if i go back to 2003 to see what effect happened, i would still be in that new time line.

So when the old Janeway went back in time and brought her old self home a decade early, she created a new time line in which Tuvok and Chakotay and Seven of Nine survived.  The old time line still existed however.

At least, thats my theory on time travel

[Vaul]

First thought I had on seeing the armour in Endgame was "Batmobile!". Second one was "Why didn't they use part of the SFX budget for a nice little 'deploying armour' sequence a la Batman and really get sued by Tim Burton et al."  

[Credo Narth]

Alternate universes... It is said that every time a decision is made, the universe splits in two. So add in time travel, and you have an infinite number of universes, with an infinite number of timelines. Which means that reality itself becomes a random variable dependent on which universe you're in and what time you're on.

In this situation, the only universal constant is the Big Mac. Tastes the same no matter what place and time you're currently existing in...

[Soreyes]

I still say the best show to discribe time travel, duel Diminsons, and Alternate Universes was RED DWARF!!

I expect to see Ace Rimmer arrive any time now to save the FEDs...... or try to

[FatherTed]

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I still say the best show to discribe time travel, duel Diminsons, and Alternate Universes was RED DWARF!!

I expect to see Ace Rimmer arrive any time now to save the FEDs...... or try to  

Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.  

[The_Pelican]

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Because she quit the show, which kinda screwed up their planning.

Plus she mentioned the year of hell in the future I believe (she was going backwards through time). Plus everything that happened was erased anyway.

Time Travel, whose dumb idea was that.......... theoretically, if time travel was possible, you couldn't alter the past at all. You couldn't go back in time and change something, because it's the past, you were meant to go back and change something. The good old temporal paradox. "What if you went back in time and killed yourself, you'd never have used the time machine in the future, so you could never have gone back in time, so how could you have killed yourself?"  

Simple.  Alternate realities.  When you go back in time, you create a 'split' in the timeline.  Watch Back to the Future 2, they explain it :P  (Yes i actually understood everything Doc said.  Sounds scary, doesn't it?)

Lets say using Star Trek time travel i went back in time and killed myself.  By killing myself i created an alternate time line in which i am dead.  The original timeline is me living then in the year 2003 i get in a time travel machine and disappear.  The new time line is, say, in 2000 i appear in a time machine, kill the other me, and if i go back to 2003 to see what effect happened, i would still be in that new time line.

So when the old Janeway went back in time and brought her old self home a decade early, she created a new time line in which Tuvok and Chakotay and Seven of Nine survived.  The old time line still existed however.

At least, thats my theory on time travel  

The theory of alternate realities states that there are an infinite number of realities, in which an infinite number of possible events takes place. The theory is that if you were to go back in time, and kill yourself, you would create an entire new alternate reality, of which you are now a part of. (Unless you figure out how to jump dimensions of course). The problem is that Trek doesn't follow that theory at all. It has caused many temporal paradoxes, and in 90% of the cases, ignored the fact that it would change the timeline.

Take Trials & Tribble-ations. The guy, I forget his name, travels back in time to kill Kirk. But he goes back in time BEFORE anyone else does, which means he has what, 90 years to kill Kirk. Yet the timeline doesn't appear to alter in the slightest, surely without Kirk, the Federation & the Klingons would still be at war? So does that mean we are in an alternate timeline, because the original timeline has been altered? Or has a new timeline been created where Kirk is dead, and we don't see it?

Compare that to Yesterday's Enterprise, in which the timeline altered instantly, and then reverted back to what it was before. So did we temporarily jump to an alternate timeline, and then jump back. The questions can go on, and on, and on.

Using the alternate reality theory, we changed realities whenever time travel was used, so by the end of TNG, we weren't watching the original timeline, we were watching a completely different one.

Who wants to complain about Enterprise not being canon then?

[ChamadaIV]

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...Using the alternate reality theory, we changed realities whenever time travel was used, so by the end of TNG, we weren't watching the original timeline, we were watching a completely different one.

Who wants to complain about Enterprise not being canon then?  

In the words of Lt. Felix Savali from Bridge Commander: "I do."

But its not a complaint from me. I just want to point out that whatever is put out on film/TV is canon; officially sanctioned material from Paramount Pictures. Nuff said about that. Like it or not, Star Trek is Rick Berman's playground.

In my perception, all was right and orderly in the Alpha Quadrant by the end of TNG. Captain Picard still had his ship in time for ST: Generations and everyone (the main cast) was still alive, save for Tasha Yar of course. The real alternate timeline debacle comes from what we saw in TNG: "All Good Things" (Super Enterprise-D) and what happened in Generations (destruction of the Ent-D). I leave that for you all to ponder and debate if you like.

BTW, as you all may already know, Trek time travel does not operate on the same principles theorized in actual physics or that which was from Back to the Future Part II according to Robert Zemekis. It's time travel at its simplest; throw paradoxes to the winds and use this sci-fi concept as a means to entertain the masses with a fun TV episode, not confuse them with a physics lesson that invokes headaches and mass usage of Tylenol.

In reply to the original post, I am glad I wasn't the only one who enjoyed the latter half of Voyager. The adventure and story was there, but the main characters lacked....well.....character, imo.

As for post-Voyager, I still wished they gave us Captain Sulu and the USS Excelsior, not this alternate reality Enterprise crap.