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Scipio_66

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Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« on: May 09, 2003, 05:02:06 pm »
Doh!!!!

If you want to take advantage of SG3's ability to employ custom models, then there is a (soon-to-be-fixed) bug in the current installer you should know about.  If you are happy with custom models, you can quit reading now.

Every computer language differes, and when you move back to one after a long time you can have dangerous logic lapses.  This is espeicially true if you are moving from a real programming language to DOS.  Some programming concepts just don't exist in DOS.

Currently, the installer I gave Dizzy fills the new folders it creates with the stock Taldren models.  I didn't want people to have to download their custom models more than once, so the uninstaller was written to leave these new folders alone.  The installer is supposed to leave them alone too if they are already present.

This is all well and good, except that the logic checks I used in the installer don't work in DOS!  (doh!)   If you uninstall and reinstall, your custom models will get overwritten.

1) What does this mean to me if I'm happy with stock models?
Nothing.  If you leave your stock models alone, you will hav no worries.

2)What does this mean to me if I want to use custom models?
Each time you use FromSG3 and then ToSG3 (until I fix them or you use the workaround) your custom models will get overwritten.  Your G-BCH, for example, will go back to looking like whatever is in your G-CA file.

3) This sucks!  You're an idiot!  Are you going to fix it?
Yes, yes, and yes.  The fix is actually very simple. Fortunately it is possible to program in DOS from any machine no matter where I am.  I'll try to get the corrected installer to Dizzy before the weekend is out.  There are four more folders he wanted created anyway, so it was always in my plan to give him a new installer between the test server and the upcoming real server.

4) I don't want to wait for the fix!  I want to play What can I do in the meantime?
The installer still gives you everything you need to play on SG3.  You can either:
a) Don't use the uninstaller; keep your machine set for SG3 and spend all your weekend time playing on SG3.  (Why would you want to play anyplace else anyway?)
 or
b) If you've already used ToSG3 and installed some custom models, then make a backup of your Models folder before using FromSG3.  Then replace your model folder with this backup after using ToSG3.

5) Does Dizzy know about this bug?
If he's reading this, he does now!

Remember, if you don't know how or don't care to use any custom models, you can use the ToSG3 installer and the FromSG3 uninstaller with no danger.

-S'Cipio  

Dizzy

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2003, 05:17:31 pm »
Np, Scipio... I knew this would happen and so that installer you emailed me this morning...is still sitting there unopened in the email attachment... hehe.

Im sending you a PM about those naked pics of your sister you sent me...

And noone has the installer yet, not even karnak or tracey. So wez cool, lizard boy.

EDIT: BTW... that title you used sure is scary for such a tiny thing like this... hehe.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2003, 05:18:35 pm by Dizzy »

TOCXOBearslayer

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2003, 05:20:54 pm »
Just out of curiosity.... whose models are you using?  Thu11's?  Mackie's?

TOS? TMP?

Just wondering... I already got some custom models and also have ones I can't use for the standard shiplist.... so they are there waiting on this shiplist...

Mainly Feral Shipyard models.

Scipio_66

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2003, 05:25:09 pm »
Quote:


EDIT: BTW... that title you used sure is scary for such a tiny thing like this... hehe.




hee hee

Well, if someone spent four hours getting all their models looking just the way they wanted, then went off to play a little GSA and came back to find themselves looking at swingline staplers again, I figured they'd be a little peeved.  (I know I was.......)  So it was best to warn them in the most dramatic fashion possible.  

-S'Cipio the caregiver

Dizzy

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2003, 05:47:00 pm »
Lets see... the installer will copy your existing models.... So if you are using a custom for the F-CA for example, then all sub folders such as CVS, CVL, etc. will be a copy of that CA model you have. There is really no change. The new folders allow you to add more mods in.

Now to answer your question: Yes, I have included these new models which use a new directory, meaning they are not copied from anything, (and btw, nothing here will overwrite any existing model folders ), they have their own new follder. Here is the list of a few race playable NEW folders you get with the D/L:

Hydran D7

Lyran D7
LC7
Lyran PF Leader

Klink C7

KCR
Centurian PF Leader

Gorn PF Leader

And of course all the different Tholian models:

tff
tdd
tcl
tca
t3d (3xhull)
t4d (4xhull)
tdn
tnff
tncl
tnca
tndn
tpf
tftr
tbs
tbats
tsb

There are also a few other models, namely pirate models and a few others you DO NOT want to encounter... hehe.

Dizzy

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2003, 05:48:16 pm »
Quote:

Quote:


EDIT: BTW... that title you used sure is scary for such a tiny thing like this... hehe.




hee hee

Well, if someone spent four hours getting all their models looking just the way they wanted, then went off to play a little GSA and came back to find themselves looking at swingline staplers again, I figured they'd be a little peeved.  (I know I was.......)  




Oh damn! You got [censored], didnt you! Ouch, hehe.

Dizzy

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2003, 05:52:39 pm »
ROFL

SSCF Hooch

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2003, 08:05:35 pm »
Quote:

ROFL  




Hey laughing boy, where the &*^% is the installer at?

Hooch

Daew Anahos

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2003, 08:09:35 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

ROFL  




Hey laughing boy, where the &*^% is the installer at?

Hooch  




I thought he was mister stfu!


I am also wondering where the (censored) installer is at. Those fed pirate ships look cool.  

Scipio_66

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2003, 08:19:23 pm »
Hey, look:  I found a computer!

I don't know if Dizzy is waiting for me to fix the installer or not;  he may be.  I can't do it right now.

The installer should be safe to use.  It does exactly what it is supposed to do.  The only trouble is, if you switch from SG3 to standard and then back to SG3, then it does exactly what it is supposed to do again.  Oops!  You'll be OK if you make a backup of your Models folder before you reinstall, or if you just live with stock models until I can get the thing fixed.

It should still get you set up and ready to play SG3, and even let you use tons of cool mods (so long as you are happy playing on SG3 and only SG3; or don't mind the trouble of making a backup.)

In the end, the final choice is Dizzy's.  I perfectly understand reluctance to release the bugged installer.

I'll make sure to break free this weekend and fix the installer so you can easily switch back and forth from SG3 and GSA with the push of a button.

-S'Cipio

Toten

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2003, 08:25:13 pm »
WHERE are THE DOWNLOAD FILES ! DAMMIT !

Concerned Klingons need to know.  

jimmi7769

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Re: Dangerous Logic Flaw on SG3 Installer
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2003, 11:08:50 pm »
Ask me the questions bridgekeeper, I am not afraid.