Topic: hEY,you guys watching Enterprise now? what do you think so far? (Read 3740 times)

Mentat Jon · « **on:** May 07, 2003, 08:29:56 pm »

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I posted this thread in the OT also,but I know some of you guys dont go into that hell hole.

Mentat Jon · « **Reply #1 on:** May 07, 2003, 08:33:12 pm »

like it,thought it was well done,I like at the end when they said,it would take 200 years for the message to reach the borg home world,Just in time for Jean Luc and the NextGen crew nice tie in.

and was it just me or is it sweeps week because they are busting out the " T pol in heat" episode.

yea I know its shamless selling of sex to push a TV show,but you know what:

sometimes thats a good thing.

because Good Old Capt Kirk was humping every Greenskin chick in the galaxy!!!

Chris Jones · « **Reply #2 on:** May 08, 2003, 09:27:48 am »

Holographic Bullets?

what?

Overall the episode was "OK'. I looked upon it as a sequel to First Contact, which it was. I can believe the part about noone taking Zephram Cochrane seriously when he referred to the Invaders and Humans from the future. That's OK by me. The battle between the Borg Transport ship and the NX-01 was even believable. looked TNG-ish, but this is not 1968 anymore. That's ok too.

Wouldn't Picard have thought to look for any remains of the sphere on Earth before they left to go back to the future in First Contact? Perhaps we should assume that he and his crew would do that as we watch that movie.
Also, seeing as Starfleet now has records of the 'Cybernetic' beings, one would have to assume that Data would bring this fact up in Q-Who in TNG, but then again we are dealing with a 1988 episode of TNG vs. last night's Enterpise.

and how can the doctor cure himself in a pre-TOS era when they can't do that in the 24th century?

Overall it was good viewing, but there are many continuity flaws. I treated it like an extended TNG or Voyager episode, not pre-TOS. In theory, the NX-01 could be an Akira prototype in the TNG universe, evolving on the fly. I think that would make a good story, rather than this pre-TOS stuff. Kinda like The cadets on the USS Valiant in DS9, only a lot smarter - combination of DS9, TNG, and Voyager. Now i'm rambling.

Holographic bullets? I lost a lot of respect for the writers when I heard that.

Tremok · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2003, 11:15:46 am »

Link here

In this link we debate the supposed inconsistencies of the episode rather thoroughly.

E_Look · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2003, 11:19:45 am »

I guess the characters would worry about the eventual receipt of the transmitted message, but from the point of view of a viewer who saw First Contact and TNG series, the message can do no harm. I mean, the Borg, shortly after meeting Jean-Luc & Co., already knew where Earth is!

Also, from Voyager (the last ep, actually), we also know that the Borg view that particular temporal incursion as a defeat, so the reception of a message from several re-defunct drones might drive home the point even more.

So, I suppose the story was meant to be enjoyed from the perspective of, "Tee hee! I know something you don't, Capt. Archer!" And I did enjoy the episode. The tension was kept to the very end; I thought too, along with the crew that after Archer and Trip's firecrackers went off, that was that. I liked the regeneration after taking a big hit bit- very Borg!

Besides, after Janeway's having and only tasting her cake (the future incarnation got blown up with the Queen), is there anyone out there to receive the message anymore? Does Starfleet SETI?

Lepton1 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 08, 2003, 03:55:09 pm »

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Also, seeing as Starfleet now has records of the 'Cybernetic' beings, one would have to assume that Data would bring this fact up in Q-Who in TNG, but then again we are dealing with a 1988 episode of TNG vs. last night's Enterpise.

Chris,

You forget about the temporal paradox here. The events in First Contact and in Q-Who in a sense take place before the events in the Enterprise episode because the Borg in the Pre-TOS could not have gotten there except for those events in the future.

That the signal will only reach Borg space in 200 years is trying to tie up loose ends that don't need to be tied up. The fact is the Pre-TOS timeline has been altered. Temporal Cold War. This Borg Incident. Any number of other things that may happen in the show. I view Enterprise as an alternative Pre-TOS timeline which I find alternatively enjoyable and frustrating.

Holographic bullets, ouch!!! That was bad! What a stupid slip-up on their part!!! Purposely reckless!!

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #6 on:** May 08, 2003, 07:17:46 pm »

Overall I give this episode a 5 on Captain KoraH's 10 point scale. I also didn't like how the Borg hailed the Enterprise and said:

"You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

Everyone watching the show felt let down at that moment. It should never have been in the episode, and that's what makes this episode a 5 instead of a 6 on my scale. The 'holographic bullets' comment not withstanding. Did they even have holodecks back then?

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 08, 2003, 07:23:52 pm »

Three things:

1. It would have pissed me off immensely if the borg HADN'T said resistance is futile
2. We have holoGRAPHS now, just not holoGRAMS.
3. Remember the episode Trip got pregnant? (lets not get into that part) On the alien ship, there was a holodeck, and they compared it to their own holographic technology

Alexander

Tulmahk · « **Reply #8 on:** May 08, 2003, 08:24:17 pm »

^HoloGRAMs exist right now

Holograph and hologram are synonyms. They are the same thing.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 08, 2003, 09:11:22 pm »

Not according to the Trek universe, whereing the holograph is just the popup image effect. Holograms ARE holographic, but there are distinct differences.

In any event, the other reasons DO stand.

Alexander

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #11 on:** May 08, 2003, 09:56:59 pm »

That's in the 24th Century

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2003, 09:57:26 pm »

In a holodeck, most of the items are holographic, but according to ST: The Magazine (now sadly out of print) If a holographic item is picked up, a "prop" is replicated, unfortunatly that contradicts an early TNG episode where Data threw a book through the arch and it instantly vanished. Of course we can put it down to advances in holo-technology. This Prop is exactly the same as if you were to have replicated it yourself, so the tommy gun that Picard had picked up was real, and since the safety protocols were off, so were the bullets.

Mentat Jon · « **Reply #13 on:** May 07, 2003, 08:29:56 pm »

?

I posted this thread in the OT also,but I know some of you guys dont go into that hell hole.

Mentat Jon · « **Reply #14 on:** May 07, 2003, 08:33:12 pm »

like it,thought it was well done,I like at the end when they said,it would take 200 years for the message to reach the borg home world,Just in time for Jean Luc and the NextGen crew nice tie in.

and was it just me or is it sweeps week because they are busting out the " T pol in heat" episode.

yea I know its shamless selling of sex to push a TV show,but you know what:

sometimes thats a good thing.

because Good Old Capt Kirk was humping every Greenskin chick in the galaxy!!!

Chris Jones · « **Reply #15 on:** May 08, 2003, 09:27:48 am »

Holographic Bullets?

what?

Overall the episode was "OK'. I looked upon it as a sequel to First Contact, which it was. I can believe the part about noone taking Zephram Cochrane seriously when he referred to the Invaders and Humans from the future. That's OK by me. The battle between the Borg Transport ship and the NX-01 was even believable. looked TNG-ish, but this is not 1968 anymore. That's ok too.

Wouldn't Picard have thought to look for any remains of the sphere on Earth before they left to go back to the future in First Contact? Perhaps we should assume that he and his crew would do that as we watch that movie.
Also, seeing as Starfleet now has records of the 'Cybernetic' beings, one would have to assume that Data would bring this fact up in Q-Who in TNG, but then again we are dealing with a 1988 episode of TNG vs. last night's Enterpise.

and how can the doctor cure himself in a pre-TOS era when they can't do that in the 24th century?

Overall it was good viewing, but there are many continuity flaws. I treated it like an extended TNG or Voyager episode, not pre-TOS. In theory, the NX-01 could be an Akira prototype in the TNG universe, evolving on the fly. I think that would make a good story, rather than this pre-TOS stuff. Kinda like The cadets on the USS Valiant in DS9, only a lot smarter - combination of DS9, TNG, and Voyager. Now i'm rambling.

Holographic bullets? I lost a lot of respect for the writers when I heard that.

Tremok · « **Reply #16 on:** May 08, 2003, 11:15:46 am »

Link here

In this link we debate the supposed inconsistencies of the episode rather thoroughly.

E_Look · « **Reply #17 on:** May 08, 2003, 11:19:45 am »

I guess the characters would worry about the eventual receipt of the transmitted message, but from the point of view of a viewer who saw First Contact and TNG series, the message can do no harm. I mean, the Borg, shortly after meeting Jean-Luc & Co., already knew where Earth is!

Also, from Voyager (the last ep, actually), we also know that the Borg view that particular temporal incursion as a defeat, so the reception of a message from several re-defunct drones might drive home the point even more.

So, I suppose the story was meant to be enjoyed from the perspective of, "Tee hee! I know something you don't, Capt. Archer!" And I did enjoy the episode. The tension was kept to the very end; I thought too, along with the crew that after Archer and Trip's firecrackers went off, that was that. I liked the regeneration after taking a big hit bit- very Borg!

Besides, after Janeway's having and only tasting her cake (the future incarnation got blown up with the Queen), is there anyone out there to receive the message anymore? Does Starfleet SETI?

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #19 on:** May 08, 2003, 07:17:46 pm »

Overall I give this episode a 5 on Captain KoraH's 10 point scale. I also didn't like how the Borg hailed the Enterprise and said:

"You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

Everyone watching the show felt let down at that moment. It should never have been in the episode, and that's what makes this episode a 5 instead of a 6 on my scale. The 'holographic bullets' comment not withstanding. Did they even have holodecks back then?

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 08, 2003, 07:23:52 pm »

Three things:

1. It would have pissed me off immensely if the borg HADN'T said resistance is futile
2. We have holoGRAPHS now, just not holoGRAMS.
3. Remember the episode Trip got pregnant? (lets not get into that part) On the alien ship, there was a holodeck, and they compared it to their own holographic technology

Alexander

Tulmahk · « **Reply #21 on:** May 08, 2003, 08:24:17 pm »

^HoloGRAMs exist right now

Holograph and hologram are synonyms. They are the same thing.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 08, 2003, 09:11:22 pm »

Not according to the Trek universe, whereing the holograph is just the popup image effect. Holograms ARE holographic, but there are distinct differences.

In any event, the other reasons DO stand.

Alexander

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #24 on:** May 08, 2003, 09:56:59 pm »

That's in the 24th Century

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #25 on:** May 14, 2003, 09:57:26 pm »

In a holodeck, most of the items are holographic, but according to ST: The Magazine (now sadly out of print) If a holographic item is picked up, a "prop" is replicated, unfortunatly that contradicts an early TNG episode where Data threw a book through the arch and it instantly vanished. Of course we can put it down to advances in holo-technology. This Prop is exactly the same as if you were to have replicated it yourself, so the tommy gun that Picard had picked up was real, and since the safety protocols were off, so were the bullets.

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