Topic: I sincerely apologise...

[Green]

WHAT!

I thought we were gonna try to kill this thread?  I wrote a 20 minute disertation to Hondo where I brought up calm counter-points and discussion points!  Then I come out and see a request to let the matter rest or move to the OT.  I agreed and deleted the post!

Well ... I'm a bit upset and won't bother retyping for another 20 minutes (okay, yeah, so it was only 35 words, but give me a break).  So instead I shall now counter Hondo's points in a more simple manner.....


I hope you lie in a pool of your own blood (hmmm, I read somewhere what I'm suppose to type in here next ... oh yeah, that's it) "Federation P'tok"  
 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

 

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 I hope you lie in a pool of your own blood (hmmm, I read somewhere what I'm suppose to type in here next ... oh yeah, that's it) "Federation P'tok"  

 

*spits beer all over monitor*

BAH!...I just knew this was going to bite me in the ass

[jimmi7769]

The Thread That Wouldn't Die.....Part 7,356  Coming to a Game Forum near you!!!

[Mavolic]

I'm sorry how is an Off-Topic forum bad for a gamesite?  

I don't expect people on any message board to agree 100% with anything I say, regardless were it's posted.

Personaly Raj got what he brought on himself.  Maybe he was a "nice" guy around here, but why does the OT forum have to take the brunt of the blame?  Ummm..here's a thought, maybe we should *gasp* blame Raj?

If someone draws negitive attention to themselves on the OT forum, then I say it's for the good that we know what demon lies inside that person.  I'm sure there were a lot serial killers that were "nice" guys.

I spend 99.9% of my time on the Off-Topic forum, and enjoy reading it everyday.  A lot of us that play this game like a good debate, and we can stomache the flame-fest, mostly because we are all veterens in being in them.  If it offends more delicate people, just stay out of there.

Oh and before you go rating the OT forum as crap, try hanging around there reading the post, making replys and see what goes on over a period of time on a daily basis, instead of logging in once a month, and find the nastiest threads you can find, before labeling it a "useless" forum.   You would be surpise how much you could learn just by reading it everyday.

If the OT forum goes away, I don't have much reason to hang around here anymore, cept for any nuggets of info about the games.







 

[KOTH-Steel Claw]

 

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 Umm if you had a post in the off topic fourm about the off topic fourm would that not then make it a on topic post there for out of place

ROFLMAO, thanks LT! I needed to start my day with something funny.

[KOTH-Steel Claw]

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 As for my infrequency of going there perhaps you are right. I guess it would be much fairer to just look over there right now and see what's at the top of the list. A random sample so to speak. Let's see . . . . Top of the List Yes, maybe I have been too hasty.

J'Inn
Looking at the title of the thread (regarding skinheads), if I didn't want to put my flame gear on red alert I wouldn't bother participating in that thread. My choice. I know it will end up being a scorcher. Instead of looking at the top thread (and it isn't anymore), take a gander at the top 10. Some good discussions on the surface, much flaming on the interior. Topics regarding social matters and politics will always be heated. It is up to the individual to get involved. I wouldn't like Taldren having to police them unless illegal activities are involved.

JHMO

[Karnak]

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  Originally posted by Hondo:
I for one do not want to be held hostage by the few who can produce for this game. Its like the kid with the new baseball glove but will not share it with the guy on the other team with out the glove. And so the Kid with out the glove cant play. Who judges what is For the Good of the Community? What is the Standard? Hence here we use personal judgment, Most of the forums users are good eggs, and for the Most part we all have good standards of judgments. Its a scary thought that we NEED to appease those few who continue to improve this game when they have a personal issue on a personal level un game related. I am personally thankfully for there hard work, but we have all had the Boss who has asked us to do somthing that might have been on the shady side, like not Talking about an incedent, playing with numbers., ect.

Yeah, I agree. That's why I made my own missions, my own campaign, my own server, etc.  It took a lot of hard work and some $$$.   Now, when before AOTK we only had one mission scripter that posted work in a campaign,  now we got 3 in D2.  D3 has a couple also.  Before AOTK, there was only one bonafide major server available for campaigns.  Now, we have KOTH and GFL in addition to SFC2.net.  Oh yeah, Scipio too.   Before AOTK, we had only one shiplist council.  Now we got Dizzy's and FireSoul's.  Before AOTK, we had no real modders, now we got Dizzy's SG3.  Sorry, if I missed anyone but I think y'all get the idea.

So, the risk is much smaller now.  

[Maxillius]

Whenever I feel out of the world loop and need some news, I go to the OT forums.  I prefer hearing a commentary and debate over a simple report!

[JMM]

I vote for getting Raj back and making him and Storm make their peace, and just forgetting the whole affair. Lord knows I've pissed off people and been pissed of by others, no reason to ban anyone though and belittle them...

All you drinkers out there know for a fact that at least ONCE you have made a really weird comment or post while under the influence, so let's just say they were inebriated and let them back in...  

[Mavolic]

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I don't think anyone is saying the OT forums should go.  Just a touch more Moderation before things get out of control.  Also, not all of the threads there are bad, many are informative and funny (seriosuly). The forum is not "crap".  But some thread are out of control and the hands off policy can cause probllems for the community as a whole.  When it starts to affect the D2, where I am almost all the time, I think it right to voice my concern.  

As for my infrequency of going there perhaps you are right.  I guess it would be much fairer to just look over there right now and see what's at the top of the list.  A random sample so to speak.  Let's see . . . . Top of the List     Yes, maybe I have been too hasty.
 
 

Errr, my point about picking a few threads out of the air and making basis out of that is never more clear when you posted that link.

Have you bothered to ask the people in Off-Topic forum, if they want a babysitter?.  I think most of us can handle it ourselves, and if you notice most people aren't baiting the flame wars in those threads, it's just a handful.  Also look at who posts the thread.  "Mackie" isn't someone who post a kinder, gentler, thread most of the time.  Not to hard to move onto the next one if you don't want to hear what he has to say.  

I think the way we have now works pretty good.  If you act like an ass, then you get kicked out of there.

Besides your never going to get rid of any flame war on any message board.  Sure you can set up a Moderator Gestapo to so-called "police" the boards, but then those message boards turn into some pretty dull conversations.  

You post a topic about toast and somebody will always want to turn it into a flame-fest somehow.  

Politics, religion, war, and the world view are always going to be hot topics.  I for one want to see those discussions. Flames and all.  Unlike most of the people that surround me, sticking my head into the ground so as to not see what's going on isn't something I subscribe to.  And OT fourms on any message boards are a great way to find out what your buddies around the planet are thinking.   Just as in real life, I like talking to people I know about those very topics.  That's why the OT forum is a great place to discuss things.


J'inn, how many times in the past have you seen the D2 forum break out into a free-for-all?  There were some pretty nasty things said in this forum.  But if anything, the OT flame-fest tended to be about real life events, not about a virtual world.  Those arguments do more harm than good for the game in my opinion.

Yes, I'm for moderating the game forums, but leave the OT forum out of it.  Unless threats, or non-stop personal attacks are issued, it's only text across the screen.  Can't really harm anyone.


   

[KBF-Dogmatix]

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  Originally posted by Hondo:
I for one do not want to be held hostage by the few who can produce for this game. Its like the kid with the new baseball glove but will not share it with the guy on the other team with out the glove. And so the Kid with out the glove cant play. Who judges what is For the Good of the Community? What is the Standard? Hence here we use personal judgment, Most of the forums users are good eggs, and for the Most part we all have good standards of judgments. Its a scary thought that we NEED to appease those few who continue to improve this game when they have a personal issue on a personal level un game related. I am personally thankfully for there hard work, but we have all had the Boss who has asked us to do somthing that might have been on the shady side, like not Talking about an incedent, playing with numbers., ect.

Yeah, I agree. That's why I made my own missions, my own campaign, my own server, etc.  It took a lot of hard work and some $$$.   Now, when before AOTK we only had one mission scripter that posted work in a campaign,  now we got 3 in D2.  D3 has a couple also.  Before AOTK, there was only one bonafide major server available for campaigns.  Now, we have KOTH and GFL in addition to SFC2.net.  Oh yeah, Scipio too.   Before AOTK, we had only one shiplist council.  Now we got Dizzy's and FireSoul's.  Before AOTK, we had no real modders, now we got Dizzy's SG3.  Sorry, if I missed anyone but I think y'all get the idea.

So, the risk is much smaller now.    

Before AOTK, we only had a "shiplist council" for a very short time in the latter part of 2001. By the time AOTK rolled around, it had been defunct for quite some time (and good riddance).  

Is "shiplist" being confused with "shiplist council?"


 

[JMM]

LOL, I remember ur heartache dog, you were seeing world class politics being done at a gamers level! I want my BB at 30,000 tons and 18 inch guns! You can have that if my HBC can be 25,000 tons and have fighters from hades! LOL, glad I passed that one up...  

[KBF-Dogmatix]

heheh....ayep.  It didn't take me long to drop out of that mess.  It went FUBAR  in no time flat.  After I dropped out, I just lurked and watched the show.


 

[SPQR Drall]

Mavolic,

I started reading the OT board regularly and posting on an irregular basis.  Then I started posting a little more but I stopped and decided to not participate there anymore.  I agree with you that there are sometimes informative and interesting thread, but there is a core group of very active posters that will attack personnaly anyone who disagrees with them instead of their point of view.  Racist remarks are also commonplace.  I can understand that a few posters are not the majority, but the majority tolerates these rude behaviors and quietly aquiesce to them.  It's too bad because a while ago it was a nice place to go, it used to have differing opinions from different countries and social classes, now it seems to be overwhelmed by only one point of view.  

You are right though, I always have the choice not to go there anymore, which is what I tend to do lately.


SPQR Drall  

[KOTH-Steel Claw]

 

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I started reading the OT board regularly and posting on an irregular basis. Then I started posting a little more but I stopped and decided to not participate there anymore. I agree with you that there are sometimes informative and interesting thread, but there is a core group of very active posters that will attack personnaly anyone who disagrees with them instead of their point of view. Racist remarks are also commonplace. I can understand that a few posters are not the majority, but the majority tolerates these rude behaviors and quietly aquiesce to them. It's too bad because a while ago it was a nice place to go, it used to have differing opinions from different countries and social classes, now it seems to be overwhelmed by only one point of view.

You are right though, I always have the choice not to go there anymore, which is what I tend to do lately.

I can agree with this.

[KBF-Dogmatix]

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Mavolic,

I started reading the OT board regularly and posting on an irregular basis.  Then I started posting a little more but I stopped and decided to not participate there anymore.  I agree with you that there are sometimes informative and interesting thread, but there is a core group of very active posters that will attack personnaly anyone who disagrees with them instead of their point of view.  Racist remarks are also commonplace.  I can understand that a few posters are not the majority, but the majority tolerates these rude behaviors and quietly aquiesce to them.  It's too bad because a while ago it was a nice place to go, it used to have differing opinions from different countries and social classes, now it seems to be overwhelmed by only one point of view.  

You are right though, I always have the choice not to go there anymore, which is what I tend to do lately.


SPQR Drall  

I started paying more attention to the OT forum about a month ago.  It's still a fun place to visit for me.  I go there mainly for the humor and there are some good debates on any given day.  You can usually tell pretty quickly which threads will go awry and I usually don't take part.


Basically, as with any human discourse, you can expect the good, the bad and the ugly.  That's what you'll find in Taldren's OT forum and it's definitely not the place to be if you're easily offended by differing, even radical viewpoints.


 

[SPQR Drall]

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I started paying more attention to the OT forum about a month ago.  It's still a fun place to visit for me.  I go there mainly for the humor and there are some good debates on any given day.  You can usually tell pretty quickly which threads will go awry and I usually don't take part.


Basically, as with any human discourse, you can expect the good, the bad and the ugly.  That's what you'll find in Taldren's OT forum and it's definitely not the place to be if you're easily offended by differing, even radical viewpoints.

Doggy,

Differing and radical viewpoints do not offend me.  Personnal attacks and name calling do.  The part that bugs me is the acceptance by the majority.  Still, I agree with you that there are interesting things in there, so I still read a few threads.  As to participate in any debate, I don't.


SPQR Drall  

[Mentat Jon]

someone told me to come in here,all i have to say for myself is I never attack anyone for being a liberal or a Socialist,but I will defend myself when im attacked,Liberals tend not to attack the Idea,but the Man.



you can be the Redest Red in Cuba,if you act civil you will be treated civil.


with that im out of here, back to the OT with me