Topic: Planning OP+ shiplist 2.1 .. controversial? (Read 53298 times)

Holocat · « **Reply #160 on:** April 30, 2003, 03:56:24 am »

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They'll be BVP adjustments? It's not the hit i'm worried about, it's the difference between a carrier-that-isn't-a-carrier, a casual carrier, and whatever-else-have-you carriers being too small to tatically see; Kinda makes some ship types redundant. Merge the HDW's and HDWC's then? *shrug*

Actually.. I think the HDWs and HDWCs are already correct.

I read the fighter change text file; Woah. That's just nuts. I love it. I can see where the fighter change is going now, and I find myself in favour; non-carrier types with less, dedicated carriers generally holding more. Auxalleries will become... intresting.

I woudn't even mind the 4 to 3 with the way the list seems to be going, but I should really shaddup before I influence anything, as i'm biased

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And... uh... what's an HPT?

HPT? Where?

It was brought up from the depths of the SFB swamp when talking about the Z-CCX; It's not in, but I don't know what it is. What is it?

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Oh, and... uh... why the sudden explosion concerning the Z-CCX? Funny, I thought no one liked *any* of the X-Ships here...
That would be three fighters in one squadron, rather than two and one fighter squadrons, right?
I didn't even know the Mirak were nerfed.
I'm still not clear on why the HDWE costs more than the HDW2; Do cargo boxes really cost that much?

I don't know.
I'll decide the fighter squadrons as I move along.
I didn't know either.
The HDWE is properly configured, on the inside, to be able to call it an Escort. It has the "E" special role. This might come in handy in future scripting. It is a valid variant.

I dunno. the DE is still cheezier.

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Balance (bal*ance) n.

1. A weighing device, especially one consisting of a rigid beam horizontally suspended by a low-friction support at its center, with identical weighing pans hung at either end, one of which holds an unknown weight while the effective weight in the other is increased by known amounts until the beam is level and motionless,
2. A state of equilibrium or parity characterized by cancellation of all forces by equal opposing forces,
3. The power or means to decide,
4. The bloody and vicious trench warfare associated with online game modifications.

Is it always like that?
-- Luc

Let's see, the first game I played online was Diablo. There wasn't too much hue and cry about changes, but most of the patches were to prevent cheating, so there wasn't alot done on the 'balance' thing.

Diablo II was simply bout after bout after bout of "<insert despised character class here> is too powerful! Nerf <insert despised character class here>." or "I can't possibly compete with <insert despised character class here>. Make <insert prefered character class here> completely overpowering." Interspersed with the usual "X is cheating their a*s off." (which they usually were, Diablo and Diablo 2 being nortoriously filled with cheaters

(Pffft, I mean, where do YOU *think* all the hackers that hacked diablo 1 to death went, huh?

))

Concerning Starcraft and C&C(pretty much any flavor thereof). I'd say that the casualties of this balance confrontation was at least several times worse than what we have here, per DAY (I remember particular bitter comments by my friends when they played C&C tiberian sun. I think they just sucked

).

Dark ages, nexus, and (one-other-game-by-the-same-MMO-company-that-I-can't-remember) The nexus beta was dominated by complaints that there wasn't enough coop. They fixed that in Dark ages and they were then flooded with complaints that you couldn't do anything alone. I think it was somewhere around here I realized what a headache it must be to be a online game programer.

So in short, yes. Balance is usually like that.

Given what i've stated so far, the complication and nicheiness of this game is a bit of a hidden silver lining; More level heads lying about the forums here, so much so that it's almost like everyone was reasonable! (having had my first online game taste as Cheatablo however, I know better than that, yeah. You're all just waiting for a sign of weakness, yeah, like wolves, before you rip firesoul to bits. Beware! Beware!

)

And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
Weave a circle around him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honey dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.

--Samual Taylor Coleridge, "Kubla Khan"

Capt Jeff · « **Reply #161 on:** April 30, 2003, 07:18:25 am »

Couple quick shiplist questions, and this seems to be the place to get a good answer

F-DDG/+ is listed as a drone bombardment ship....why? It only carries 2 G racks.

Also, should the F-BCG have double drone control? The BCV, which is identical weapons wise, has it.

Same question for the F-GSC/CVL.

Thanks

jdmckinney · « **Reply #162 on:** April 30, 2003, 07:42:13 am »

Carriers almost always have double drone control in SFB. Presumably they would be controlling not only their own drones, but others "in the air" from ships in their fleet. Generally (there are always exceptions), the normal cruisers will have drone control = sensor rating, but bombardment ships and carriers would double up. Heck, there are some ships with just 3 drone control.

"G" designation on an F-DDG or a BCG is meant to show it is a "guided weapons" upgrade/variant. That doesn't mean it's a bombardment ship, just that it opts for a couple drones in addition to, but not to totally replace, photons.

FireSoul · « **Reply #171 on:** April 30, 2003, 11:30:52 am »

.. after all.. it's not like I'm adding weapons to these ships.
The players will have to PAY for the drones they use up, etc..

.. but yeah.. I don't think I will implement this right away.. but I feel it's a damned good idea.
-- Luc

PS. Bases would also gain that +6 .. wouldn't they..

FireSoul · « **Reply #177 on:** April 30, 2003, 11:56:24 am »

Cool! Other opinions?

Holocat · « **Reply #178 on:** April 30, 2003, 12:33:53 pm »

Suddenly, a small grey cat is pushed out from beween the forum curtains and onto the podium. It blinks in the sudden, glaring light and grabs the microphone with a paw, "Uh, test? Te-- *RIIIIIIIIIIIIIING* -st? Alright, I think it's working. Ahem."

"I have been bamboozled, er," The small cat scribbles something on its speech sheets, "Er, I mean, asked to state my opinion, for the record, concerning the plus six drone control that is proposed to be given to ships with special sensors. I, Holocat, find myself in favour of giving said refit to the general OP+ shiplist.

"Firstly, this refit was proposed as a solution to some of the problems that the mirak purportedly face with some of their ships. From preliminary findings, it should add drone control to many deserving mirak ships. However, it also adds drone control to some federation and klingon ships as well, pushing a few into what many will consider," it raises it's kitten paws for effect, "cheeze."

"In defence of this, firstly, the ships that are being pushed into this 'cheeze' are already considered my most in the community to be 'cheezy,' and thus should not bear any significant tatical problems, barring the usual ones that already exist with said 'cheezy' ships.

"Secondly, most bases will recieve this upgrade, most having the special sensor in question. I see this as an improvment of the situation, as most bases do not have an overwhelming drone launch capacity anyway."

"Finally, I believe that even in the case of cheeze, I would find fighting against the extra missle control... intresting. I see it as a new and hitherto unexplored avenue of drone craziness which I think I would enjoy. Thank you for your time."

The cat trots off the podium and looks between the curtains. "Whaaaat?"

Holocat.

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