Topic: Those in our impulse engine discussion, read this!

[Atrahasis]

Thanks to Skawpa who posted this in the offtopic forum.

I believe I said in the impulse engine thread that the next breakthroughs to come would be antigravity and zero-point energy but I beleive some people scoffed. Scoff at this!

http://popularmechanics.com/science/research/1999/10/taming_gravity/print.phtml

And those are American scientists.  

[Bernard Guignard]

That is very interesting I read the article and its all they say it is its also a Tractor to some degree. I may live to see
the first starship after all  

[THORN]

control over gravity is seen by many in the scientific community as the next big eventual breakthrough.  Like fire, the wheel, flight, supersonic travel, and space flight..... mans manipulation of gravity is thought of as the next defining moment in scientific history.  Gravity conrol could have an innumerable amout of applications, from propulsion to medicine to heavy lifting and construction.  

Imagine increased productivity while in orbit,  broken bones healing faster here on earth due to lessened gravity. imagine using gravity to propel a starship across the galaxy (much like warpdrive).  Imagine being able to lift a steel I-beam with ur bare hands.  Reductions in shipping costs, due to less weight than total mass.  

i find the concept extreemly enviggorating

 

[ActiveX]

And if anyone wants to recap: http://208.57.228.3/ubb/Forum1/HTML/021073.html  

[Atrahasis]

Yeah, it AMAZES me how much people don't know about the real and most recent research that is going on in antigravity and Zero Point Energy, especially people who should be up to snuff on this sort of stuff...the "institutionalized" people I call them, they are the last to admit to something new and real on the block because they have the hardest time admitting that their own knowledge is outdated.

For the record, the research that these American scientists are doing is re-hash of earlier research by Russian and Finnish scientists in 1997, only this time the Americans have managed to get better and friendlier press and support from an "institutionalized" magazine like "Popular Mechanics", and some funding as well. That's because the WORLD'S BRIGHTEST PHYSICIST is on the project, so now nobody dares to scoff at it. Before, when the SAME discovery was made by some lesser-known scientists, they got bad press and people scoffed and nobody gave them funding. That was in 1997 folks, and they even had a name for this device, the "Podkletnov generator". Think of it....it was because of the institutionalized dead-heads that this very real discovery was not taken seriously that it was allowed to languish for years until recently, because now it has the backing of a more famous scientist and "Popular Mechanics". That is just so stupid. Especially when the original experiment was replicable and repeated by other scientists, still nobody paid serious attention. Why is that? That kind of slow inertia can only be because the institutionalized dead-heads were slow to being won over.

The last time I heard about PRIVATE research into the Podkletnov generator, they reportedly managed to make a device that shot a beam of gravitic energy that had the force of 1000 g's, enough to destroy just about anything it touched.

You know what? If institutionalized dead-heads keep on impairing the development of real discoveries like this, then it wouldn't be hard for a terorrist organization with enough moolah and resources to fund research of new discoveries themselves and come up with super-weapons that are a generation beyond anything the West has now, all because they decided to take a chance.  

[Atrahasis]

Hey, an example of an "institutionalized dead-head", aka Seyvern:

Quote:
Originally posted by Seyvern:
Stop with the BS, you are talking about things you don't know about.  

This statement is meaningless:
 

Quote:
Originally posted by Atrahasis:
but I still say that as for what they teach in universities about electricity all of that is based on theories that are about 100 years old.

No physicist is arguing that we throw out EM or even Relativistic EM because of the crap you are spouting.  

 

Quote:

For example, no generator has ever produced any electricty...it has all come from "the void", aka the same place zero point energy comes from, which means electrical generators are more appropriately conductors or vavlves for tapping into where electricty really is.

Again, you talk out your rear.  First off, ZPE isn't 'from the void' as you so mysteriously put it.  ZPE is simply the underlying energy present everywhere as required by quantum mechanics.  This in no way disrepudates the fundemental particles (quarks and electrons) and thereby classical EM.  

I'm not going to go into any more detail on this because this is not the place, and I don't have the time.  For anyone who cares about learning more about modern physics, I found a pretty good website set up by a stanford physics research group:
http://www.calphysics.org/
This site explains this groups research interests which focuses pretty heavily on ZPE theory (not the crackpot stuff the guy above was discussing) including:
ZPE theory
ZPE - fundemental particle (quark, electron) interaction producing mass/intertia and the linkage between the two
the Thermodynamics of ZPE

Also, its nice because these pages are math lite-  although you need to understand some of the technical details, if you don't have the math, you don't need it in these pages.  

Finally, the research group (as usual) links to a number of relevant papers produced over the past ~5 years- many of which are in PDF format.  I warn you, most of those you DO need the math to understand.

In any case, this is the stuff you should be looking at if your interested, not that crap that Atrahasis posted.

-Seyv

Now who's talking out of his ass? COme back when you actually know the latest on this topic, your 100 year-old textbook knowledge is sadly out of date.  

Oh, by the way Dimwit, Zero Point Energy is called "energy from the void" as I described it because it is what you have left over when you have a complete void...but if you knew anything about the topic you would've known that.

[Atrahasis]

Thanks to Skawpa who posted this in the offtopic forum.

I believe I said in the impulse engine thread that the next breakthroughs to come would be antigravity and zero-point energy but I beleive some people scoffed. Scoff at this!

http://popularmechanics.com/science/research/1999/10/taming_gravity/print.phtml

And those are American scientists.  

[Bernard Guignard]

That is very interesting I read the article and its all they say it is its also a Tractor to some degree. I may live to see
the first starship after all  

[THORN]

control over gravity is seen by many in the scientific community as the next big eventual breakthrough.  Like fire, the wheel, flight, supersonic travel, and space flight..... mans manipulation of gravity is thought of as the next defining moment in scientific history.  Gravity conrol could have an innumerable amout of applications, from propulsion to medicine to heavy lifting and construction.  

Imagine increased productivity while in orbit,  broken bones healing faster here on earth due to lessened gravity. imagine using gravity to propel a starship across the galaxy (much like warpdrive).  Imagine being able to lift a steel I-beam with ur bare hands.  Reductions in shipping costs, due to less weight than total mass.  

i find the concept extreemly enviggorating

 

[ActiveX]

And if anyone wants to recap: http://208.57.228.3/ubb/Forum1/HTML/021073.html  

[Atrahasis]

Yeah, it AMAZES me how much people don't know about the real and most recent research that is going on in antigravity and Zero Point Energy, especially people who should be up to snuff on this sort of stuff...the "institutionalized" people I call them, they are the last to admit to something new and real on the block because they have the hardest time admitting that their own knowledge is outdated.

For the record, the research that these American scientists are doing is re-hash of earlier research by Russian and Finnish scientists in 1997, only this time the Americans have managed to get better and friendlier press and support from an "institutionalized" magazine like "Popular Mechanics", and some funding as well. That's because the WORLD'S BRIGHTEST PHYSICIST is on the project, so now nobody dares to scoff at it. Before, when the SAME discovery was made by some lesser-known scientists, they got bad press and people scoffed and nobody gave them funding. That was in 1997 folks, and they even had a name for this device, the "Podkletnov generator". Think of it....it was because of the institutionalized dead-heads that this very real discovery was not taken seriously that it was allowed to languish for years until recently, because now it has the backing of a more famous scientist and "Popular Mechanics". That is just so stupid. Especially when the original experiment was replicable and repeated by other scientists, still nobody paid serious attention. Why is that? That kind of slow inertia can only be because the institutionalized dead-heads were slow to being won over.

The last time I heard about PRIVATE research into the Podkletnov generator, they reportedly managed to make a device that shot a beam of gravitic energy that had the force of 1000 g's, enough to destroy just about anything it touched.

You know what? If institutionalized dead-heads keep on impairing the development of real discoveries like this, then it wouldn't be hard for a terorrist organization with enough moolah and resources to fund research of new discoveries themselves and come up with super-weapons that are a generation beyond anything the West has now, all because they decided to take a chance.  

[Atrahasis]

Hey, an example of an "institutionalized dead-head", aka Seyvern:

Quote:
Originally posted by Seyvern:
Stop with the BS, you are talking about things you don't know about.  

This statement is meaningless:
 

Quote:
Originally posted by Atrahasis:
but I still say that as for what they teach in universities about electricity all of that is based on theories that are about 100 years old.

No physicist is arguing that we throw out EM or even Relativistic EM because of the crap you are spouting.  

 

Quote:

For example, no generator has ever produced any electricty...it has all come from "the void", aka the same place zero point energy comes from, which means electrical generators are more appropriately conductors or vavlves for tapping into where electricty really is.

Again, you talk out your rear.  First off, ZPE isn't 'from the void' as you so mysteriously put it.  ZPE is simply the underlying energy present everywhere as required by quantum mechanics.  This in no way disrepudates the fundemental particles (quarks and electrons) and thereby classical EM.  

I'm not going to go into any more detail on this because this is not the place, and I don't have the time.  For anyone who cares about learning more about modern physics, I found a pretty good website set up by a stanford physics research group:
http://www.calphysics.org/
This site explains this groups research interests which focuses pretty heavily on ZPE theory (not the crackpot stuff the guy above was discussing) including:
ZPE theory
ZPE - fundemental particle (quark, electron) interaction producing mass/intertia and the linkage between the two
the Thermodynamics of ZPE

Also, its nice because these pages are math lite-  although you need to understand some of the technical details, if you don't have the math, you don't need it in these pages.  

Finally, the research group (as usual) links to a number of relevant papers produced over the past ~5 years- many of which are in PDF format.  I warn you, most of those you DO need the math to understand.

In any case, this is the stuff you should be looking at if your interested, not that crap that Atrahasis posted.

-Seyv

Now who's talking out of his ass? COme back when you actually know the latest on this topic, your 100 year-old textbook knowledge is sadly out of date.  

Oh, by the way Dimwit, Zero Point Energy is called "energy from the void" as I described it because it is what you have left over when you have a complete void...but if you knew anything about the topic you would've known that.