Topic: Reclamation: 2275 is here. (Read 10007 times)

Cleaven · « **Reply #40 on:** April 22, 2003, 09:18:11 pm »

For what it's worth, I don't intend to play EAW again. It appears that OP now has the same gameplay capability as EAW but with extra features and stability. And though the gamplay is not entirely proven I intend to make a commitment to OP only at this time, both for D2 and GSA.

Scipio_66 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 22, 2003, 09:37:14 pm »

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For what it's worth, I don't intend to play EAW again. It appears that OP now has the same gameplay capability as EAW but with extra features and stability. And though the gamplay is not entirely proven I intend to make a commitment to OP only at this time, both for D2 and GSA.

<shrug> Whatever. I feel no pull towards OP. I still find EAW to be a superior performer in D2 gameplay, server stability, and lag.

Now, if someone puts up a killer OP server with a concept that sucks me in, I'll dig up my copy of OP and play. No question. But I'll still know where my home is.

My apologies to the SFX guys for posting this in their thread. I ignored the comments for a while, but the EAW bashing was getting a little heavy and it is the game I prefer. I won't post on this topic within this thread again. I support your efforts, and to make ammends to you I'll try to put in some time playing on Reclamation.

-S'Cipio

Mog · « **Reply #46 on:** April 23, 2003, 04:13:50 am »

Firesoul, the O-CA was an addition given to Lyrans only for planet assaults, because of the long time it takes them to accomplish these missions.

Cleaven, thank you for your support, but I don't think that the dozen or so people who are interested in OP will be able to stress test the software enough to satisfy the high demands of the anti-OP brigade.

Scippy, I've tried to find this EAW-bashing of which you speak. I have been unable to. Unless, you mean that people saying that OP has the potential to be a better platform than EAW, is EAW bashing. Then, I plead guilty as charged. As for producing a killer campaign, please read my previous post. If a Galactic Powers v Andromedans campaign idea doesn't grab your imagination, then I honestly don't know what would.

Anyhow, the whole EAW/OP divide leaves me feeling extremely disenchanted with the game in general, so I may just quietly slip away, like so many of my friends who I've met over the years have done.

FireSoul · « **Reply #48 on:** April 23, 2003, 04:38:35 am »

Remember people..
.. it's just a game.

Dizzy · « **Reply #49 on:** April 23, 2003, 04:52:08 am »

Ya, and remember SG3 is comming up. Its very cool. Cleaven, I hope you will give it a try.

The neutral coop bug... shouldnt be an issue on SG3, there is hardly any neutral terrain. Anyways... I support OP and EAW.

My first server was on OP. And the sfcx guys are the most commited bunch of admins I have ever seen. OP D2 still doesnt work worth beans and they still keep at it trying to get it to work. If this effort doesnt win you over to OP, then screw off. They deserver better than what they have been given...

But give the SG3 EAW campaign a chance. Dont dis it cuz its an EAW campaign. It took forever to get just right. And is sure to be a crowd pleaser. It needs a large player base, so I hope to see you there when it launches. The beta server for it should go up in a cpl days, and Ill let everyone know where to get the D/L.

As far as the OP and EAW servers... the SCFX guys have told me they supprt SG3 on EAW. I support their servers. I mean... some ppl like one over the other. Thats fine.

If you dont like SG3, then stick to the OP campaigns. But try SG3 out. There's just too many cool things that aere new to ignore it. Hehe... I have so many cool surprises in SG3, you will freak out!

jdmckinney · « **Reply #50 on:** April 23, 2003, 07:51:49 am »

I still don't understand why people insist on saying OP D2 is still broken without having tried it. I'm not accusing anyone specifically of being uninformed, but that is the general sense I get when people say they like EAW better -- that the OP D2 and gameplay are crap.

Well, OP D2 as of this moment, and for several weeks now, is as good as EAW. Both have neutral coop problems. OP does have the cartel layer, but we have proven with Reclamation and Badlands that you can make the pirates a non-entity if you wish with blanket neutral cartel ownership and have a perfectly good empires campaign. What this allows is for pirates to be what they really should be: raiders and nuisances to the empire forces. Plus, thanks to the extra playable slots, OP permits more modding of new races. Personally, I like the idea of having LDR, Tholians, WYN, and any other "minor" race you care to name or create showing up as pirates. The only trouble is the ability to double engines, but that's a minor issue.

Plus, there are the TRBs that allow us to have rough approximations of Andromedans. The only trouble I see there is making them playable without everyone flocking to them, but that's a sign-up and pre-planning issue. It may even be possible to have some displacement device effects simulated in mission scripts, so the potential is there. That's what's great about OP -- there are more options. You can run a straight-up empire war, a heavily modded, specialized campaign, or anything in between.

All we're really lacking is time commitment from players and admins in OP. People just need to dust off their copies, reinstall them, or whatever, and play the game. If people want specific types of settings, pricing, maps, shiplists, or missions, then they just need to add their voices to the few who have always been good about giving feedback. The admins will make it, as long as there are players interested in participating.

Admin cooperation will certainly help to create killer campaigns. Not everyone with good ideas has the time, skill, equipment, or padded room necessary to build and host a campaign.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #52 on:** April 23, 2003, 09:12:55 am »

Dizzy, I understand your situation with SG3 -- you had to commit to a platform so you could get the work done. Would it have been great to see SG3 in OP? Yes, but you have to go where you have the best chance to get the campaign rolling.

That said, I don't see how anyone can tell me OP D2 is in worse shape than EAW. Until they put in as much testing and playing time on OP D2 as I have, they are going to have to show me some solid examples of problems that can't be avoided with settings changes or the right map. Reclamation shows that OP D2 works, even if my supply prices don't. The map was too neutral, as well. Next time around, we'll have this experience to build on. By "we" I mean anyone who does OP campaigns. That's why I like seeing more admins around: because we learn more with each different approach.

I'm also not saying EAW campaigns should be put on hold or players should not play there so they can spend time on OP. What I am saying is the players who haven't even booted up OP in months should play it before they condemn it by rote. That doesn't include you, but it does include some others who have pull in the community. Admins also need to consider it for campaigns, now that we have done what we set out to do and proven it can handle it. Yes, I'd like SQL for OP, but for all the talk of it improving stability, I have seen no proof an SQL DB is more stable than a flatfile one. Instead, SQL offers better DB access for admins and the possibility of useful tools to maintain the DB and affect the game while it is running.

In short (though my posts rarely are), I urge players to give OP a chance. Maybe you'll find it can be at least as enjoyable as EAW, and with the right campaigns, even better.

Capt Jeff · « **Reply #53 on:** April 23, 2003, 09:13:03 am »

Dizzy, really......STFU !

People have waited a year for a patch, and now have one that makes the game enjoyable for them (and me as well, as I have and love playing OP).

It's like telling someone they suck on their birhtday....lets encourage movement to having 2 fun and playable games.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #54 on:** April 23, 2003, 09:21:09 am »

Jeff, while I think your support of OP is great, I think Dizzy is doing exactly what he should -- campaigning for his campaign. We all need players to make the game fun, and right now there is not the player base to sustain two major campaigns at once.

Until we as a community bring in more D2 players, we need to find some alternatives to the single-server big campaigns that run for more than a month. Now's the time to plan for those things, while some already designed campaigns are running.

If OP players really want it to live again, then they should go out and become software evangelists, for want of a better word. Go and drum up more players and support for OP so we can all enjoy it again.

Karnak · « **Reply #55 on:** April 23, 2003, 09:34:14 am »

No worries, jdmckinney.

If OP can run a stable dyna campaign with the same quality control as an EAW dyna then it won't take much work to convert existing missions and servers to OP.

What I see as a bigger danger to the community as a whole is all the snippy statements going around from admins in the last few weeks. You want to drive programmers away from SFC development or potential programmers from mission scripting then let's just keep it up. Same goes for people with campaign ideas that would love to admin a campaign. When they see the admins acting like this who in their right mind would consider the techies reliable enough to get the job done.

It starting to get to the point where I think I should start asking for Forum moderator intervention for the good of D2.

Statements like "STFU" from admins only get people irritated and consider you a person to be ignored.

Cleaven · « **Reply #57 on:** April 23, 2003, 09:40:35 am »

And if anybody happens to catch me on GSA, I'll have a room up in OP called Generations. I will be running a sequence of missions starting in Early 110, followed by Mid 160, Late 210, Adv 260 using the OP Plus shiplist. And anybody who plays will stay with the same empire through the four games. Call it a micro campaign to try and get the most out of the extra ships.

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