Topic: Salvaging the Romulan Cloaking Device

[Kroma_BaSyl]

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1) None of the Romulan ships under my proposal would get four points of extra power, or any points of extra power.  Cloak cost would be reduced by 2 points, but engine power would remain the same.

I would opt for further reducing the cost of cloak rather than adding ecm to hulls, since it is added regardless of whether they are cloaked. Roms should have weaker phaser suites and saying an enemy can just increase their eccm to compensate ignores the fact that it would reduce speed making enemy more susceptible to the Roms Plasma as well.

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2) NT in the special column prevents the enemy from boarding your ship

Sounds good for WE's

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4) Adjusting BPV is the historical 'balancing' approach taken by Taldren and could be used in Gamespy, but is of no help in the dynaverse.  (No one will care if their 8000 PP ship costs 50 to 200 extra PP points at purchase.)  Actual ship capability has to be changed if we want to improve the coak (or anything else) in Dynaverse play

Well I agree that ship cost is hardly much of an issue and that ship capability is important for PvP, but lowering the BVP definitely has an advantage in D2 against the AI matchups, so I would think that this might be used with lower power cost of cloak, instead of adding ecm to hulls.

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6) I still wouldn't give jack to the kestrel hulls. They aren't supposed to cloak well.  

Agreed

 

[jimmi7769]

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I agree scipio... The Kestrel hulls will stay at 55% of total power for cloak while all Rom designs will have 40% total power cloak cost.  

I remember reading somewhere(SFB Material) the the F5 class was the exception to this rule that Klingon designs didn't cloak well.

[Gumby]

 Very interesting thread.....   Since I'm not into the programming aspect of the game I don't know how the game mechanics work exactly, so pardon my ignorance.  As I see it the Romulan ships, both in SFB and SFC, were fairly well balanced.  The cost of cloak was a big factor, as was the reduction of weaponry.  The cloak does give a big advantage because they have long charging weapons.  One of the challanges is to learn how to use the ships properly to overcome thier disadvantages.  Now I agree that there are some problems with the games, and that things arent exactly how we might want them.  For instance in SFC2 it would have been better to have a hidden cloak, like in SFC3.  But years ago, when computers were in thier infancy, I woulda given my left arm to just have a computerized play aid that could help keep track of all the SFB information we had to keep track of.  Granted a few of those did exist, but werent very practical.  When Taldren came out with SFC, I was absolutely floored by the excellent job they did.  Especially when SFC2 came out and incorporated alot of the new races.  I was happy to deal with the incongruities.  I'm glad to see that they made it work so well, specially with such a specific demographic as we belong to.

That aside, seems as though, if we could assign a decreasing ECM shift for cloak fadeout, that would probably do the trick.  Thanks for letting me rattle on like that.......... (not that you had any choice)

   

[Losiack]

I rarely use the cloak in PvP. The only situation would be when faced by 2 scatter packs with drones much faster than my ship. I prefer to cloak than use a weasel: less penalty.

Against the AI, I don't need it. I only use it while my marine count on the ennemy ship is higher than the AI's to pass the time away.

However, in a coop base assault, I like to cloak .01 hex closer than my ally. Speed 0, max ECM, shield reinforced. I turn when a shield drops into the red. When all shields are red, my teammate moves up .01 in front of me and we repeat. It is slow and steady but a pair of WE can kill a BATS  easily. We need a pair of FHK for sure kill on a SB. I also use it when solo during recharge time.

Regarding extra power to give more ECM: I disagree. Giving 2 extra power to a frigate will give you the choice of +2 ECM (can be countered easily) or +6 speed. Which will you use? If that route is taken, I would say give a straight bonus to the ship itself. This way, we can fine tune the bonus for old ship, 3rd generation as well as Kestrel. We could even use this modification for Orion ship with cloak as well as klingon ships (F5Y).

While we are on added ECM, do Orions (in OP as well as EAW) have their built-in ECM as per SFB?

SPQR Losiack
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The IRIS sees all

P.S. I deny that I did not forget not to roleplay on that opinion thread

[Scipio_66]

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I remember reading somewhere(SFB Material) the the F5 class was the exception to this rule that Klingon designs didn't cloak well.  

SPECIAL EDITION!!

THIS IS A SPECIAL EDITION OF THE GHDAR GAZZETE.
!!!FEDERATION TREASON IN THE NEUTRAL ZONE!!!

The Federation has been treacherously sabotaging their own scans for cloaked vessels, and thus dangerously damaging the defense of our alliance.

This reporter has spent the last two weeks posing as a Federation officer and watching their WIZO's scan for Romulan incursions.  (This was made easier by the existence of the Animated Star Trek series.  Therein the episode Jihad featured a race that looked exactly like the Gorn, except they had a tail and we do not.  Starfleet officers were more than willing to believe I was a member of this race even though it is non-canon.  Stupid humans.)

During my time aboard several destroyers patrolling the neutral zone, I noticed that the WIZO's were intentionally dialing back their gain when scanning for KF5R class vessels.  When I asked why, they pointed to a sticker over their equipment, which instructed everyone to turn off the lights when leaving a room.

"Government programs never end," they explained.  "President Carter began passing out these stickers to all state and federal govt employees during his mismanagement of the US energy crisis back in the 1970's.  We still get taxed to make the stickers, the stickers still get distributed, so we have to find a use for them.  Dialing back the gain on our scans saves power."

So far this treachery, which endangers millions of Gorn women and children, seems limited to scans of KF5R class ships.  But I remain vigilant for further Frenchification of Federation military doctrine and will report further incompetent acts in this column as soon as I see them.

"It's just the KF5R's," explained the last officer I talked to.  "Kestrel hulls can't cloak worth a damn, but we cut the F5 hulls a break.  After all, if your ship's got nothing worth hiding, then we really don't care if you hide it."

This has been S'Cipio Drudge reporting for the Ghdar Gazzete, a subsidiary of GOOD.  (The Gorn Office of Disinformation).
 

[Mog]

Lol, you're a looney  

[jimmi7769]

Yeah, I knew I read it somewhere..............