Topic: OP+ shiplist 2.0 (20030413 release) is now live. (Read 11698 times)

FireSoul · « **on:** April 13, 2003, 06:12:59 pm »

I'd like to announce the release of the next shiplist in the OP+ series... only THIS time, it's version 2.0.

URLs:
download package: http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/op_plusrefit_shiplist-20030413.zip
homepage link: http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/

This time, with over 1350 additional ship entries (bringing the total up to 3724 entries), the focus wasn't even to add ships. This was a massive check, recheck, re-recheck, and so on. These fixes are D2-oriented mostly. There should be very little difference for standard online multiplayer games.

Changes, briefly listed:
- Fixes
- Corrections
- Year of availability tweaking
- Dronerack reload refits
- Some sanity checks on data I previously mis-entered
- commando ship availability limited
- survey ships availability improved

I know it's only been 2 weeks for you all, but this shiplist is pretty much what I've been working on between diaper changes, burpings, or whatever else babies do. Considering Mom does most of the work (feeding), I still had enough time on my hands to do a lot on the shiplist.

Enjoy,
-- Luc
FireSoul

Kehakoul · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2003, 06:15:23 pm »

Exellent!!!:)

CM.E.Kehakoul_XC

jdmckinney · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:20:23 pm »

Great stuff! I'll download and apply to Badlands ASAP.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:21:51 pm »

Thank You Firesoul!

Still wish you'd consider adding Tholians and Andromedans to this though.

Awesome job, thank you!

Qa Pla!

KF

jdmckinney · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:24:23 pm »

Question: is the ftrlist.txt the same as the 2.5.3.8 default, or has it been changed? I noticed today's date on the file.

FireSoul · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:25:20 pm »

Quote:

Still wish you'd consider adding Tholians and Andromedans to this though.

I know..
..but having some parts not working right spoils all of it for me.

So Andros and Tholians are outside the scope of this project.
-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:27:21 pm »

The ftrlist.txt is not the same as default 2538.

The stock ftrlist.txt (2538) contains 175 lines of text.
The OP+ ftrlist.txt (OP+ 2.0) contains 248 lines. The difference lies in fighters available to pirates. Look inside.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:29:46 pm »

Heh, it looks like the same ftrlist.txt version from the last one -- all is good (just had to look closer).

FireSoul · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:30:34 pm »

I may have changed *1* line. In case it's different, replace it..

NuclearWessels · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:05:54 pm »

Very cool Firesoul!

dave

IndyShark · « **Reply #10 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:13:36 pm »

Firesoul, this is great! Thank you very much

I love the NCDR!

BTW, what is the difference between the CAD+ and the CAD+R? I can't see anything in the shipyard and the shiplist format is hard to read.

Thanks!

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:27:52 pm »

(bowing) Hail, FireSoul. Hail, FireSoul.

-TF

jdmckinney · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:31:02 pm »

Just guessing, I'd say the CAD+R has more drone reloads than a CAD+.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:45:01 pm »

Feedback:

Z-HDWG is labeled as, and is loaded as, an escort heavy war destroyer, but the "G" suffix leads one to believe it is a commando war destroyer. I didn't see an HDWE or a commando version.

FireSoul · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:47:03 pm »

*looks*
.. yes, that's indeed an error.
Using that ship as the escort should be ok tho. It's just the name-tag that's wrong.. and a commando ship that's missing.

Corbomite · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2003, 09:58:17 pm »

Sigh! Again?! J/K FS, thanks for the hard work.

FireSoul · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2003, 10:08:10 pm »

shaddup corbo. Go play with your lil BBVZ.

Corbomite · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2003, 10:10:21 pm »

jdmckinney · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2003, 07:42:54 am »

Considering I went through the entire inventory of empire ships checking and changing ship classes to suit my needs, one little error is pretty darn good! One other thing I saw that puzzled me was the "I" tag in special role on some ISC ships.

Also, the bulk of Romulan hawk-class cruisers are labeled as HEAVY_BATTLECRUISER, but they should mostly be HEAVY_CRUISER. Their bloated BPV that puts them up in the BCH range of 180-200 is often due to the cloak, which probably doesn't deserve the BPV boost it gives. This is up for debate, though, and changeable by D2 admins, so I don't see a big issue with it.

I noticed you've been classing the cargo pod variants of the tugs and transports as FREIGHTER. Is this by design to try to get them to show up as convoy members in raids/escorts? Since they are tagged as "R" for restricted, they may not show up anyway, but I was just curious. A group of them in a convoy mission sure would be a change of pace.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #21 on:** April 14, 2003, 04:24:55 pm »

I think the "R" would prevent them from showing up, but I couldn't prove it.

I suppose you could try a version that has the "R" tag removed for those ships, but it would be hit or miss to see if it pulled them in, unless you restricted ALL other normal freighters for the target race, giving it no choice but to grab the tugs.

FireSoul · « **Reply #22 on:** April 14, 2003, 06:25:11 pm »

I believed the 'R' tag would prevent them from showing up in shipyard, but still allows them to be created in missions.

FireSoul · « **Reply #24 on:** April 14, 2003, 09:15:56 pm »

Well.. the cargo-carrying tugs shouldn't be seen on a normal battlefield anyways..
.. They've been set to "R" with purpose, and as freighters in the hope they'd be used in convoy missions..

Corbomite · « **Reply #25 on:** April 14, 2003, 09:25:03 pm »

Then you probably want to set them as SPECIAL so the AI will get them. If they are set like that and as Freighters that should do it.

Corbomite · « **Reply #27 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:11:40 pm »

Ok, but if you class them as "R" they won't be picked at all.

FireSoul · « **Reply #28 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:19:32 pm »

But if I left them in as available Freighters,there'd be dangerous cheap ships available in shipyards. (FREIGHTER is what. ... 0.5 to 1? Amongst the cheapest ships to buy with prestige.)

If I put them in as SPECIAL, they'd be even more crippled as far as selections go. I need to experiment with scripting to see if I can make the 'R' ships appear.

-- Luc

Corbomite · « **Reply #29 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:26:24 pm »

I thought the SPECIAL tag was for scripting purposes so that ships that couldn't be bought could be put into specific scripts. Besides, Q-Ships are cheap and dangerous and they can be bought. On most servers if I am started in the stock frigate, I trade it in for an FQL anyway.

FireSoul · « **Reply #30 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:29:05 pm »

Well..I have plans for the freighters.
There are MANY of them, and I want to be able to pick from them (from the scripts) for a special convoy mission or 2.. once in a while.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #31 on:** April 14, 2003, 11:32:06 pm »

I think Corbo is right as far as if you make them R (restricted) they won't show up randomly for either
the player or the AI. Now to confuse things worse than they allready are, I *believe* if you make them L
(limited) then the AI gets them, but the player can't. Who knows, hopefully one of us is right LOL.

FireSoul · « **Reply #32 on:** April 14, 2003, 11:41:03 pm »

But I don't want them to show up in random missions either. :P~ (They would suck..)
.. hm..

FireSoul · « **Reply #34 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:09:03 am »

If Limited works, I'd like to see it. ;>

jdmckinney · « **Reply #35 on:** April 15, 2003, 08:41:59 am »

The ship class, I think, is mainly (not entirely?) for pricing and production. One thing that could be done is to set them as FREIGHTER, and make all freighters impossible to produce in the shipyard via Economy.gf. They would still get pulled in for missions. What about tagging them as "Q" so they appear in convoy raids/escorts as Q-ships?

I've never known what "L" does. So much for documentation, eh? You'd think we'd all have figured out these things by now.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #36 on:** April 15, 2003, 08:59:37 am »

Thought I should post here too...

I created an installer for the current version (20030413)
with NSIS (an easy to use install system), see:

Shiplist/Script/Mod Install System

FireSoul · « **Reply #38 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:30:24 pm »

I just sent NW a modified version of one of his missions. I'm hoping he'll accept the proposal, despite the fact it uses MagnumMan's shiplist API.

Yes, that means that I intend to leave the Tugs with cargo pods/pallets as "R" and "FREIGHTER". It's cleaner that way.

Screenshot:
http://pet.dhs.org/~firesoul/sfc2/NW/convoy_escort/tug_escort.JPG
(The F-TUGRc3 has 3 cargo pods. Each cargo pod contains 24 cargo boxes. The tug itself has a movement cost of 2.0)

FireSoul · « **Reply #39 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:34:16 pm »

Bugs in version 2.0 so far:
Z-HDWG is really the Z-HDWE. The Z-HDWG is missing.
F-FFT (Priority Transport Frigate) should be "R"
F-DWT (Priority Transport War Destroyer) should be "R" and should be properly placed.

.. any others?
-- Luc

jdmckinney · « **Reply #40 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:36:24 pm »

Nothing major here -- we'll have to see what people find on the servers.

Are all the LWX/RWX arcs changed so anyone with an LWX weapon doesn't get stuck with a small arc?

FireSoul · « **Reply #41 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:48:06 pm »

I left all the LWX/RWX arcs as-is. I know it's a buggy arc, but avoiding the problem won't fix it.
-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #43 on:** April 16, 2003, 05:05:49 pm »

Doing a work-around will give Taldren a reason not to fix it.

FireSoul · « **Reply #45 on:** April 16, 2003, 11:01:49 pm »

The Dynaverse patch won't just contain D2 fixes. Besides, MagnumMan has already told Taldren that this is fixable (and I believe how to fix it too)

FireSoul · « **Reply #47 on:** April 13, 2003, 06:12:59 pm »

I'd like to announce the release of the next shiplist in the OP+ series... only THIS time, it's version 2.0.

URLs:
download package: http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/op_plusrefit_shiplist-20030413.zip
homepage link: http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/

This time, with over 1350 additional ship entries (bringing the total up to 3724 entries), the focus wasn't even to add ships. This was a massive check, recheck, re-recheck, and so on. These fixes are D2-oriented mostly. There should be very little difference for standard online multiplayer games.

Changes, briefly listed:
- Fixes
- Corrections
- Year of availability tweaking
- Dronerack reload refits
- Some sanity checks on data I previously mis-entered
- commando ship availability limited
- survey ships availability improved

I know it's only been 2 weeks for you all, but this shiplist is pretty much what I've been working on between diaper changes, burpings, or whatever else babies do. Considering Mom does most of the work (feeding), I still had enough time on my hands to do a lot on the shiplist.

Enjoy,
-- Luc
FireSoul

Kehakoul · « **Reply #48 on:** April 13, 2003, 06:15:23 pm »

Exellent!!!:)

CM.E.Kehakoul_XC

jdmckinney · « **Reply #49 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:20:23 pm »

Great stuff! I'll download and apply to Badlands ASAP.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #50 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:21:51 pm »

Thank You Firesoul!

Still wish you'd consider adding Tholians and Andromedans to this though.

Awesome job, thank you!

Qa Pla!

KF

jdmckinney · « **Reply #51 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:24:23 pm »

Question: is the ftrlist.txt the same as the 2.5.3.8 default, or has it been changed? I noticed today's date on the file.

FireSoul · « **Reply #53 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:27:21 pm »

The ftrlist.txt is not the same as default 2538.

The stock ftrlist.txt (2538) contains 175 lines of text.
The OP+ ftrlist.txt (OP+ 2.0) contains 248 lines. The difference lies in fighters available to pirates. Look inside.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #54 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:29:46 pm »

Heh, it looks like the same ftrlist.txt version from the last one -- all is good (just had to look closer).

FireSoul · « **Reply #55 on:** April 13, 2003, 07:30:34 pm »

I may have changed *1* line. In case it's different, replace it..

NuclearWessels · « **Reply #56 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:05:54 pm »

Very cool Firesoul!

dave

IndyShark · « **Reply #57 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:13:36 pm »

Firesoul, this is great! Thank you very much

I love the NCDR!

BTW, what is the difference between the CAD+ and the CAD+R? I can't see anything in the shipyard and the shiplist format is hard to read.

Thanks!

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #58 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:27:52 pm »

(bowing) Hail, FireSoul. Hail, FireSoul.

-TF

jdmckinney · « **Reply #59 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:31:02 pm »

Just guessing, I'd say the CAD+R has more drone reloads than a CAD+.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #61 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:45:01 pm »

Feedback:

Z-HDWG is labeled as, and is loaded as, an escort heavy war destroyer, but the "G" suffix leads one to believe it is a commando war destroyer. I didn't see an HDWE or a commando version.

FireSoul · « **Reply #62 on:** April 13, 2003, 08:47:03 pm »

*looks*
.. yes, that's indeed an error.
Using that ship as the escort should be ok tho. It's just the name-tag that's wrong.. and a commando ship that's missing.

Corbomite · « **Reply #63 on:** April 13, 2003, 09:58:17 pm »

Sigh! Again?! J/K FS, thanks for the hard work.

FireSoul · « **Reply #64 on:** April 13, 2003, 10:08:10 pm »

shaddup corbo. Go play with your lil BBVZ.

Corbomite · « **Reply #65 on:** April 13, 2003, 10:10:21 pm »

jdmckinney · « **Reply #66 on:** April 14, 2003, 07:42:54 am »

Considering I went through the entire inventory of empire ships checking and changing ship classes to suit my needs, one little error is pretty darn good! One other thing I saw that puzzled me was the "I" tag in special role on some ISC ships.

Also, the bulk of Romulan hawk-class cruisers are labeled as HEAVY_BATTLECRUISER, but they should mostly be HEAVY_CRUISER. Their bloated BPV that puts them up in the BCH range of 180-200 is often due to the cloak, which probably doesn't deserve the BPV boost it gives. This is up for debate, though, and changeable by D2 admins, so I don't see a big issue with it.

I noticed you've been classing the cargo pod variants of the tugs and transports as FREIGHTER. Is this by design to try to get them to show up as convoy members in raids/escorts? Since they are tagged as "R" for restricted, they may not show up anyway, but I was just curious. A group of them in a convoy mission sure would be a change of pace.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #68 on:** April 14, 2003, 04:24:55 pm »

I think the "R" would prevent them from showing up, but I couldn't prove it.

I suppose you could try a version that has the "R" tag removed for those ships, but it would be hit or miss to see if it pulled them in, unless you restricted ALL other normal freighters for the target race, giving it no choice but to grab the tugs.

FireSoul · « **Reply #69 on:** April 14, 2003, 06:25:11 pm »

I believed the 'R' tag would prevent them from showing up in shipyard, but still allows them to be created in missions.

FireSoul · « **Reply #71 on:** April 14, 2003, 09:15:56 pm »

Well.. the cargo-carrying tugs shouldn't be seen on a normal battlefield anyways..
.. They've been set to "R" with purpose, and as freighters in the hope they'd be used in convoy missions..

Corbomite · « **Reply #72 on:** April 14, 2003, 09:25:03 pm »

Then you probably want to set them as SPECIAL so the AI will get them. If they are set like that and as Freighters that should do it.

Corbomite · « **Reply #74 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:11:40 pm »

Ok, but if you class them as "R" they won't be picked at all.

FireSoul · « **Reply #75 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:19:32 pm »

But if I left them in as available Freighters,there'd be dangerous cheap ships available in shipyards. (FREIGHTER is what. ... 0.5 to 1? Amongst the cheapest ships to buy with prestige.)

If I put them in as SPECIAL, they'd be even more crippled as far as selections go. I need to experiment with scripting to see if I can make the 'R' ships appear.

-- Luc

Corbomite · « **Reply #76 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:26:24 pm »

I thought the SPECIAL tag was for scripting purposes so that ships that couldn't be bought could be put into specific scripts. Besides, Q-Ships are cheap and dangerous and they can be bought. On most servers if I am started in the stock frigate, I trade it in for an FQL anyway.

FireSoul · « **Reply #77 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:29:05 pm »

Well..I have plans for the freighters.
There are MANY of them, and I want to be able to pick from them (from the scripts) for a special convoy mission or 2.. once in a while.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #78 on:** April 14, 2003, 11:32:06 pm »

I think Corbo is right as far as if you make them R (restricted) they won't show up randomly for either
the player or the AI. Now to confuse things worse than they allready are, I *believe* if you make them L
(limited) then the AI gets them, but the player can't. Who knows, hopefully one of us is right LOL.

FireSoul · « **Reply #79 on:** April 14, 2003, 11:41:03 pm »

But I don't want them to show up in random missions either. :P~ (They would suck..)
.. hm..

FireSoul · « **Reply #81 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:09:03 am »

If Limited works, I'd like to see it. ;>

jdmckinney · « **Reply #82 on:** April 15, 2003, 08:41:59 am »

The ship class, I think, is mainly (not entirely?) for pricing and production. One thing that could be done is to set them as FREIGHTER, and make all freighters impossible to produce in the shipyard via Economy.gf. They would still get pulled in for missions. What about tagging them as "Q" so they appear in convoy raids/escorts as Q-ships?

I've never known what "L" does. So much for documentation, eh? You'd think we'd all have figured out these things by now.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #83 on:** April 15, 2003, 08:59:37 am »

Thought I should post here too...

I created an installer for the current version (20030413)
with NSIS (an easy to use install system), see:

Shiplist/Script/Mod Install System

FireSoul · « **Reply #85 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:30:24 pm »

I just sent NW a modified version of one of his missions. I'm hoping he'll accept the proposal, despite the fact it uses MagnumMan's shiplist API.

Yes, that means that I intend to leave the Tugs with cargo pods/pallets as "R" and "FREIGHTER". It's cleaner that way.

Screenshot:
http://pet.dhs.org/~firesoul/sfc2/NW/convoy_escort/tug_escort.JPG
(The F-TUGRc3 has 3 cargo pods. Each cargo pod contains 24 cargo boxes. The tug itself has a movement cost of 2.0)

FireSoul · « **Reply #86 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:34:16 pm »

Bugs in version 2.0 so far:
Z-HDWG is really the Z-HDWE. The Z-HDWG is missing.
F-FFT (Priority Transport Frigate) should be "R"
F-DWT (Priority Transport War Destroyer) should be "R" and should be properly placed.

.. any others?
-- Luc

jdmckinney · « **Reply #87 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:36:24 pm »

Nothing major here -- we'll have to see what people find on the servers.

Are all the LWX/RWX arcs changed so anyone with an LWX weapon doesn't get stuck with a small arc?

FireSoul · « **Reply #88 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:48:06 pm »

I left all the LWX/RWX arcs as-is. I know it's a buggy arc, but avoiding the problem won't fix it.
-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #90 on:** April 16, 2003, 05:05:49 pm »

Doing a work-around will give Taldren a reason not to fix it.

FireSoul · « **Reply #92 on:** April 16, 2003, 11:01:49 pm »

The Dynaverse patch won't just contain D2 fixes. Besides, MagnumMan has already told Taldren that this is fixable (and I believe how to fix it too)

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