Topic: No letters from Philadelphia.  (Read 5646 times)

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Vipy

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Re: No letters from Philadelphia.
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2003, 12:13:19 pm »
Actualy there are some Flaws in your post about WW 2, the US didnt choose to take the war to Europe they would have delayed that choise way longer if Hitler woudnt have declared war on the US. And please stop flaming those french look at your own mistakes before you point at others, youl'find you have alot more in common then you could ever imagine.

The US was basicly colonized out of European people so stop flaming those french!
after that The European companies imported Africans to work on the Crops and stuff as slave labor and those people evantualy grew to make up about i'd say 1/3rd of All American peeps.

anyway touching topic  

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Captain KoraH

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Re: No letters from Philadelphia.
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2003, 12:46:13 pm »
Aww can't we at least have our one whipping boy?  If there's one thing the whole community can rally behind together as a single entity, it's our united distain of France. It's not like we dispise them for no reason,

FACTS

1. French polls show more French citizens want Saddam to win the war than America.

2. French activists defaced the graves of American and Brittish servicemen who gave their lives to free France from Hitler.

3. French president has tried to rally all to his cause, defaming the US for attacking Iraq, becomming our enemy by choice.


OPINION

4. France helped us become a nation IMHO, but I believe that bill was paid in full on D-Day. Result = we owe France nothing.


I cheered when I heard Congress wouldn't allow France a hand in post war Iraq. They want to make money from the blood of American troops. If France makes a dime from the democratic free economy of postwar Iraq, they will be able to thank the USA for it. Too bad France never seems to remember who their friends are. Maybe next time some country invades France America will say "War is immoral, we can't condone getting involved. Sorry France, we'd rather watch you die on CNN and toast your defeat with French wine we confiscated from Saddam Hussein."



Whoa, did that turn into a rant or what?




 

Captain KoraH

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Re: No letters from Philadelphia.
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2003, 12:49:42 pm »
In the interest of keeping this thread from becomming a flame war, I wish to publically retract everything I said about France. Sorry Frogs, I didn't mean it. Well, yes I did, but I take it back anyway.  

Mocton

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Re: No letters from Philadelphia.
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2003, 12:32:10 am »
Hmm I may be wrong but aren't the frechies the only one who actually paid back all the post ww2 loans no expert on history though

Semper

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Re: No letters from Philadelphia.
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2003, 02:04:52 am »
A few wise words I have heard about France

"France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these
drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes." --- Mark Twain

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." --- Norman Schwartzkopf

"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." --- Marge Simpson

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure" --- Jacques Chirac, President of France

"As far as France is concerned, you're right." --- Rush Limbaugh

"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee." --- Regis Philbin

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." --- P.J O'Rourke (1989)

"You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the
face for it." --- John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona

"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he
hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He is French,
people." --- Conan O'Brien

"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the
Germans out of France!" --- Jay Leno

"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into
Paris under a German flag." --- David Letterman

And take it from a european, even we don't like the french.

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TheSatyr

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Re: No letters from Philadelphia.
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2003, 02:33:57 am »
France still owes us Billions from the 1st World War...course we will never see a dime of it.  

Credo Narth

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Re: No letters from Philadelphia.
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2003, 08:12:23 am »
I think so, yes. However, they certainly pay their UN bills, something that the US is the worst in the world at.

The French should not be castigated for their stance against the war. For considering snails to be a delicacy, and for pretending to be the fashion police of the world when they're fashion victims, yes. But against Iraq?

The stance of the French, not to mention Russia, China and, in a world first, Germany against war was not that they wanted the status quo. Everyone hates Saddam, especially the Arabs, and even Osama bin Laden. It was to give the arms inspectors more time. Now, while it's true that the iraqis would move their WMD equipment from one place to another to try to keep them away from the inspectors, this nonetheless severely disrupts any attempt to produce, store or deploy WMDs.

The issue is a matter of how to get rid of him. I guess after the US failed to get rid of Castro with exploding cigars and poisoned milkshakes, that we decided that the full frontal method would be the best way.

This is for 2 reasons. Through the 80's, the US used Saddam's regime as their main stabilising influence in the Middle East. Sounds odd, but he was fighting a war against Iran at the time, and the enemy or my enemy is my friend, and all that. That he'd willingly use the WMDs the US (and other weapons other countries in the West sold him) in a combat environment and report their effectiveness was just an added bonus. But after he went rogue and started invading other countries, the US lost their principal Arab ally, and we've been itching to find a way of reversing the situation for a decade.

The US has consistently failed to reveal a future vision for Iraq once Saddam is gone. This is probably because of the intent to ensure that a subservient, pro-US government is installed. Of course, it's not good for PR that we say this. Support for the war is weak enough without having to deal with accusations of empire building.

The second reason is simply oil supply. Dubya comes from Texas, most of the Bush family fortune is based in oil, the opportunity to allow his cronies free access to the world's second largest oil reserves is too good to be missed.

Other reasons are simply rubbish. Governments barely care about their own people, why would they bother freeing the Iraqi people? I never knew Buch and Blair were into karma. As for disarming Saddam of WMDs, isn't that what laser guided bombs and cruise missiles are for? They proved their effectiveness in Afghanistan, all it would take is a few satellites for guidance and a couple of carrier groups. There's simply no need to put 100,000 soldiers in harm's way and blow $90 billion for the sake of getting rid of some mustard gas and VX nerve agent. Honestly, it was Donny Rumsfeld who was one of the main players in selling WMDs to Iraq in the first place. If he's so desperate to get them back, then why doesn't he and Dubya borrow the keys to an Abrams tank and do it themselves? There's no excuse for wasting good soldiers' lives and putting countless others at risk in order to rectify the mistake of supporting complete lunatics.

I'm all for supporting troops, after all, they're the ones who'll get a US spec WMD in the a$$. And I'm not bothered about people who support the war as a means of ensuring US-backed stability in the Middle East and regular oil flow. But the war isn't going to make the world a better or safer place, nor is it going to stop the proliferation of WMDs. And for that, I think we'll lose out in the long run.

Hope I'm wrong, though.
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CmdrK

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Re: No letters from Philadelphia.
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2003, 08:36:57 am »
Korah,
I have a sister over there now. She is a captain with a medical unit. She's there to save lives, both sides.

I agree that we should support our troops. That means now, in that we appreciate there sacrifices and will not villify them for doing a job that at times is necessary. It also means the troops should be supported after the war. I read that the VA funding has been cut some several hundred million. Ask some vets from Vietnam about how the government stonewalled about the harm done by agent orange exposure. This stuff has gone on for years. WW 1 vets had to march on Washington to get their promised benefits. This was in the 30's I believe.

War is always about power and control. Underneath all the talk of making the world safe from terror and liberating the Iraqi people, it is about gaining influence and control. It may end up were we and others benefit.

The main thing is that our troops are the last means to protect us. Politicians are not perfect. When they bungle the situation, make mistakes, and diplomacy fails, the troops have to fix it. I will always appreciate anyone who will risk their lives to protect others, no matter what circumstance puts them in harms way.

We should hold politicians accountable for the world they are shaping. Are they making it better for all people? We need to question and debate it so that no one is put in harms way with out a very good reason.