Topic: OP+ shiplist 1.21 released. (Read 33730 times)

FireSoul · « **Reply #60 on:** April 06, 2003, 03:31:18 pm »

I already asked for that one.
It also applies to the "Fire Support Pallet" for hydrans, which I haven't entered because of the arc.

FireSoul · « **Reply #61 on:** April 06, 2003, 08:11:26 pm »

Question to all:

If it's Prior to Y175, and the following drone racks have the following # reloads...(or more) :
"DroG" => "2" (the 3rd reload is entirely ADDs, and is represented by the extra ADD rack)
"DroA" => "1"
"DroB" => "2"
"DroC" => "2"

.. there's probably something wrong, and it needs to be checked.
Similarly, any ship found with LESS reloads AFTER Y175 are probably wrong too.

Do you all agree? Would the ADDs be similar?
-- Luc

EDIT: I have over 500 ship entries to verify with the above conditions. I wrote a script to help me detect these issues.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #62 on:** April 07, 2003, 07:22:05 am »

Except when noted on the SSDs, generally pre-Y175 ships had 1 reload for each drone rack. Type-Gs had 2, but the SECOND one was for ADDs. After Y175 refits, that changes to 3, with the third being ADDs. Again, there are exceptions, but this is the general rule-of-thumb.

In many cases, the Taldren shiplist gives ships the extra reloads before Y175 if they already had B or C racks (but not always). In some cases, ships were given the advanced racks over As too soon (i.e., a refit step was skipped, or a ship released close to Y175 was not given a pre- and post-Y175 version). The same often happened with Gs getting the extra reload too soon. These are generally minor changes, but as long as more in-depth shiplists are being done, and there are now higher limits per hull class, why not add the extra refit steps? I think FS has already done this in many cases.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #63 on:** April 07, 2003, 07:49:02 am »

As for ADD reloads, I would tend to give them just 1 reload. However, now that I think about it, the SSDs generally show ADD12s with a pair of boxes under each one in the main track. For example, the E4E (which I happen to have on hand), always had 4 ADD12s, and the SSD shows the extra boxes underneath each main box. That would indicate 2 reloads. I need to check the rules, but that's my best interpretation at the moment.

On the other hand, the F5V shows 12 rounds with 2 reloads on the SSD, but notes "6 rounds before Y175 refit; 12 after." It does not mention reloads. My guess is the rules cover the default reloads all ADD racks should get (Gs being a different case -- they never have more than 1 reload worth of ADDs, which technically is not a reload, but the only 6 rounds it should have). I'll have to check the rules later.

Plasma-D have similar rules. On the G-CV, for instance, the tracks show 4 main boxes with a pair of smaller boxes for each, and the note "one reload prior to Y175; two reloads Y175 & after." So, the Plasma-D would have 4 rounds and 1 reload set of 4 pre-Y175, 2 post-Y175.

The one thing that troubles me most about drone reloads is that ALL drone ships can purchase up to 4 reloads, making the limits almost useless. The only difference is they have to pay for the reloads instead of having them to start. Of course, many ships get "cheated" out of drones because they don't get their cargo-storage reloads (though these would not be generally usable mid-battle).

So, one way or the other, allowances have to be made for the differences between what SFB allows and what is possible in SFC.

One last note: some ships in the default list get ADD12s earlier than they should (usually Y175), often because the ship skips a refit step as I described in my post above.

Whew, what a jumble!

FireSoul · « **Reply #64 on:** April 07, 2003, 02:27:18 pm »

Quote:

These are generally minor changes, but as long as more in-depth shiplists are being done, and there are now higher limits per hull class, why not add the extra refit steps? I think FS has already done this in many cases.

No.. Not really. Not until now.
-- Luc

DestinyCalling · « **Reply #66 on:** April 07, 2003, 02:55:25 pm »

To Firesoul.....

You're really good at this shiplist business and I know you've written it for OP but....

Just how much can I cut/paste into EAW........

TA!!

DestinyCalling · « **Reply #68 on:** April 07, 2003, 04:59:50 pm »

I would do, BUT I CANT GET HOLD OF IT ANYWHERE !!!!!.......

Hence the request.....

FireSoul · « **Reply #70 on:** April 07, 2003, 05:34:28 pm »

Ah. I understand.
.. is an online purchase acceptable to you?

FireSoul · « **Reply #71 on:** April 07, 2003, 05:37:06 pm »

Hey Nomad,

.. think it's acceptable to change the X-ships from G-racks to B-racks? The Xships have more drones per reload. As long as the ADDs are still present, it could do the trick. .. or how about a 3rd reload? (I'm not counting the last reload of ADDs only. That's taken up by the added ADD racks.)

-- Luc

The Postman · « **Reply #78 on:** April 07, 2003, 05:56:53 pm »

Yes I do think OP could replace EAW for online play IF the server admins would give it a chance. Your shiplist has added a great deal of depth and complexity to OP. When I get the Fed tug with 3 ph1 and nothing else, I really have to be in good form to stay on top,

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