Topic: Ignominious Death by Defense Platform? (Read 4384 times)

SirWilliam · « **on:** January 22, 2003, 05:30:13 pm »

Question for anyone who knows the answer:

When you inflict enough damage on a defense platform to cause it to go into that pre-death burning phase, is it possible to actually collide with the platform up to the moment of its final explosion? If so this seems to be quite an inconsistency since it is impossible to collide with a platform that isn't "dying" yet.

I ask this because I was killed when the platform my wingman was assaulting seemed to explode directly underneath me (I had unfortunately started warping "over" it seconds before my wingman hit it REALLY HARD.) We had quite the discussion about this and I am just about convinced that I actually collided with the "burning" platform.

Any takers on ths one?

Vysander · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2003, 06:16:42 pm »

never had a problem with collisions as they burn or are intact

Son of Technobabble · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2003, 06:56:06 pm »

Well unless you were badly damaged and/or were flying a FF, a station/starship collision shouldn't kill you instantly. Furthermore, the collision sound is unique.
I think that from time to time you may explode for no apparent reason (just like the AI loves to do). Once the AI and I just blew up at the beginning of a mision...not good.

SirWilliam · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2003, 07:05:40 pm »

Good point.

I was in an undamaged Vor'cha at the time. I suppose it's possible that due to my shields being down from warp, if I were at range 0.0 from the platform just when it finally exploded, that could have killed me. I have had someone argue with me for an hour before though, telling me that while the platforms are "burning" you can in fact collide with them. Doesn't seem to make sense to me... but I still steer clear of the platforms now

Anyone else had something like this happen? Possibly colliding with something that is normally collision-proof?

Belchfire · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:00:20 pm »

Well since I keep seeing references to "my wingman", I guess I need to jump in.

There always exists the possibility that the resulting explosion could take out your ship if you flew over it in warp with no shields up. I still see a a long delay between the time the platform is initially destroyed, the destruction animation, and when the targeted systems actually disappear. Two times after destroying a starbase and a platform I ventured too close. The destruction animation was running but the onboard weapons, warp core, etc were still indicated as intact. I got the "We're on a collision course alert", as I was still headed straight at them. Maybe this was a fluke, maybe it isn't. I will have to try this in single player to see if I get the same results again, too costly to attempt in mp. But the fact still remains until all the bugs are shaken out of the game that nothing be taken for granted and don't fly over anything larger than a ship(cubes or spheres not included) with the destruct animation running until the top left targetting box vanishes. No shields at warp speed would make damage amplification an expected outcome when contacting solid objects.

Off to test this out

Belch

SirWilliam · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:11:38 pm »

"No shields at warp speed would make damage amplification an expected outcome when contacting solid objects." I love that sentence.

Would be interesting to find out for sure. And very smart not to test this on the D3. Ha ha.

I am starting to think you are right and it's just a bug/fluke... for some reason you can collide w/it only if it is in the "pre-death" stage. I'm sure you'll let me know the results of the test Belch.

Belchfire · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:45:46 pm »

I am glad my satire amuses you.

Now for the bad news, I tried all the scenarios possible and neither got the collision alert nor the ship to blow up. I did this in a 70% hull minimally shielded Negh'Var for all 4 platforms. No warning when I got too close, ship took no damage or exploded when I warped over it as it registered solid or was actually exploding. Flying at the platform and over it at full impulse power proved equally fruitless.

So for moment I am forced to conclude this is "another" bug. Or the product of code clashing with some unforeseen internet error and the server. The internet connection with the involved servers is something I doubt can be fully explored except by it's reporting on the forums.

It is now time to remove my "humble pie" from the microwave and ponder how logic usually has no explanation for circumstances in this game.

Be Well,

Belch

SirWilliam · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:57:59 pm »

Perhaps Q was involved, mon Capitan.

SirWilliam · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2003, 05:30:13 pm »

Question for anyone who knows the answer:

When you inflict enough damage on a defense platform to cause it to go into that pre-death burning phase, is it possible to actually collide with the platform up to the moment of its final explosion? If so this seems to be quite an inconsistency since it is impossible to collide with a platform that isn't "dying" yet.

I ask this because I was killed when the platform my wingman was assaulting seemed to explode directly underneath me (I had unfortunately started warping "over" it seconds before my wingman hit it REALLY HARD.) We had quite the discussion about this and I am just about convinced that I actually collided with the "burning" platform.

Any takers on ths one?

Vysander · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2003, 06:16:42 pm »

never had a problem with collisions as they burn or are intact

Son of Technobabble · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2003, 06:56:06 pm »

Well unless you were badly damaged and/or were flying a FF, a station/starship collision shouldn't kill you instantly. Furthermore, the collision sound is unique.
I think that from time to time you may explode for no apparent reason (just like the AI loves to do). Once the AI and I just blew up at the beginning of a mision...not good.

SirWilliam · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2003, 07:05:40 pm »

Good point.

I was in an undamaged Vor'cha at the time. I suppose it's possible that due to my shields being down from warp, if I were at range 0.0 from the platform just when it finally exploded, that could have killed me. I have had someone argue with me for an hour before though, telling me that while the platforms are "burning" you can in fact collide with them. Doesn't seem to make sense to me... but I still steer clear of the platforms now

Anyone else had something like this happen? Possibly colliding with something that is normally collision-proof?

Belchfire · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:00:20 pm »

Well since I keep seeing references to "my wingman", I guess I need to jump in.

There always exists the possibility that the resulting explosion could take out your ship if you flew over it in warp with no shields up. I still see a a long delay between the time the platform is initially destroyed, the destruction animation, and when the targeted systems actually disappear. Two times after destroying a starbase and a platform I ventured too close. The destruction animation was running but the onboard weapons, warp core, etc were still indicated as intact. I got the "We're on a collision course alert", as I was still headed straight at them. Maybe this was a fluke, maybe it isn't. I will have to try this in single player to see if I get the same results again, too costly to attempt in mp. But the fact still remains until all the bugs are shaken out of the game that nothing be taken for granted and don't fly over anything larger than a ship(cubes or spheres not included) with the destruct animation running until the top left targetting box vanishes. No shields at warp speed would make damage amplification an expected outcome when contacting solid objects.

Off to test this out

Belch

SirWilliam · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:11:38 pm »

"No shields at warp speed would make damage amplification an expected outcome when contacting solid objects." I love that sentence.

Would be interesting to find out for sure. And very smart not to test this on the D3. Ha ha.

I am starting to think you are right and it's just a bug/fluke... for some reason you can collide w/it only if it is in the "pre-death" stage. I'm sure you'll let me know the results of the test Belch.

Belchfire · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:45:46 pm »

I am glad my satire amuses you.

Now for the bad news, I tried all the scenarios possible and neither got the collision alert nor the ship to blow up. I did this in a 70% hull minimally shielded Negh'Var for all 4 platforms. No warning when I got too close, ship took no damage or exploded when I warped over it as it registered solid or was actually exploding. Flying at the platform and over it at full impulse power proved equally fruitless.

So for moment I am forced to conclude this is "another" bug. Or the product of code clashing with some unforeseen internet error and the server. The internet connection with the involved servers is something I doubt can be fully explored except by it's reporting on the forums.

It is now time to remove my "humble pie" from the microwave and ponder how logic usually has no explanation for circumstances in this game.

Be Well,

Belch

SirWilliam · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:57:59 pm »

Perhaps Q was involved, mon Capitan.

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