Topic: Can the double weapon hardpoints be fixed? (Read 5327 times)

SOSCleopatra · « **on:** March 27, 2003, 05:22:41 am »

Just getting frustrated a bit at having my shields stripped at range 30 by a barrage of 8 photons. Also the increased accuracy of ai phasers (at range 30 they dont seem to miss, even with a 2 ecm shift. Cloak? lol good luck, saw Elphinstone fully cloaked get fired upon by double plasma S's at close range. Seen other things nearly as bad or even worse. I suggest the administrator consider taking the server down until these problems are fixed.

I think the abundance of phasers on Gorn and Fed ships, and the fact that you cant outrun a photon (and the ECM and EM seems to not work at all) make these bugs particularly hard on the Romulan players, but I'm sure it isn't a cake-walk for anyone.

I appreciate the work the administrators have done, but I hope they can fix things so that the campaign can be enjoyable to tyhe veterans and to new players like me as well. Until then I will likely still play (I'm a stubborn girl) but I would rather wait for a bug free DOE.

Kroma_BaSyl · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2003, 07:30:42 am »

I noticed last night that this was happening i solo missions and not just the coops BTW. Wonder if it has anything to do with shiplist issues cause I have never seen this one before.

Dizzy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2003, 12:31:07 pm »

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...and the fact that you cant outrun a photon

You figure that one out and the drinks are on me!

Lepton1 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2003, 01:14:45 pm »

Can someone post what the differences are in the difficulty levels and any reason why the captain level would be leading to double hardpoints on AIs? I thought there was an initial change in the difficulty level on the server after it first went up, but later the diffficulties people were facing (ship mismatching) were attributed to parameters in the mission scripts. So I am confused if the difficulty level of the server has been changed or the scripts altered or both.

Herr Burt · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2003, 02:17:43 pm »

I never set the server to captains level. It is and always has been set to commodore level. I did at one time suggest I might change to captain, when people were complaining that the mission-matching was too hard. However that proved unnecessary after I added the BPV of fighters to their carriers.

The one thing I have done is lower the BPV multipler for mission-matching multiplier from 1.0 (standard for commodore) to 0.85 (standard for captain). However this does not affect the intelligence <snicker> of the AI. Just the size of the ship(s) you get matched against. I did this to fight the upper-limit problem with the original mission scripts, but that problem was solved by Tracey with the recompiled. I am now getting e-mails that the missions are far, far too easy. I may thus reset the multiplier back to 1.0 on the next database clean.

Regarding the difference:
Captain level turns off the AI's ability to use ECM or to launch weasels.

-Herr Burt

Kroma_BaSyl · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2003, 02:51:40 pm »

Her Burt, I am positive that this was happening last night to me in solo missions as I didn't fly a single coop. The only missions I took were AlliedPatrrolA and NeutralPatrolA.

Bob Graham · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2003, 03:54:28 pm »

Yea, I thought all reports of it said that only the AI did it in solo missions, never in co-op.

FPF_TraceyG · « **Reply #11 on:** March 27, 2003, 10:38:21 pm »

Strange D2 things. Firstly, I'd like to say that during mission testing, these bugs were never seen. And we've been testing them for quite awhile. Also, despite using exactly the smae missions as on DOE on the test server, we are unable to replicate any of the bugs. Nevertheless, they are appearing on DOE, and I have seen quite a few strange things hapenning. There seems to be a very narrow set of circumstances under which they happen, but even then, these circumstances are not always consistent.
I've seen both Gorn, Romulan and Fed ships all firing twice from a single hvy wpns hardpoint. I've seen ships launch two shuttles at once, when only one should be seen. I've seen phasers hit for mega damage at over range 30 through a ECM shift. AI ships seem to be taking quite a lot more damage to destroy than I think normally happens.
One thing for sure though, all these things seem to only happen in the missions I wrote, Dave's missions are unaffected, which tends to suggests its a scripting problem. Why then, we don't see these hapenning on the test server, is a mystery.

Lepton1 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 27, 2003, 11:35:20 pm »

Here's a simple question, maybe. Were TraceyG's missions tested with all the DOE modifications in place? I am thinking and anyone correct me if I am wrong, that a number of the ships on the shiplist have been altered especially for the whole drogues business. Is it possible that with these ship modifications that somehow hardpoints were shifted or doubled in some way? I noticed especially that fed hardpoints for torps have been modified to one hardpoint per slot if that is the terminology rather than 2 per slot on some ships, fed CLs and CAs in particuiar. Again I dont know about any of this but depending on how the ship's weapons are rendered in the game and where that information comes from, there could possbily be some gap between what is shown in-game and the actual hardpoints the AI ship has to utilize. Just some ideas from one who has never nuts around with any of this stuff before.

Maxillius · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2003, 12:04:00 am »

For the split Fed hardpoints, perhaps the AI thinks it has double weapons, since it has double hardpoints. We can see it has just as many weapons, but 1 per point. Maybe Tracey could re-consolidate the hardpoints and see if the doubleshot bug occurs. This may need to be put in a download for the server, since she herself cannot reproduce the bug, yet it flourishes on the server. I don't recall what the G-CDD ui looks like, but maybe those hardpoints were split as well. I'd reccommend un-splitting all split hardpoints as a possible fix.

Now that I think of it, they don't do that in ED missions... but if we want to use the ET's too then I suppose there must be a compromise...

Julin Eurthyr · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2003, 03:07:36 pm »

I'm thinking that the doubled fire effects may be caused by the "doubled" ships for the carrier/PF-race donation routine.

You know, the AI tracking both a F-DDG & L-DDG in the same spacial location, but with individual (Federation & Lyran) hardpoints / charge meters.

It's the only thing I can think of. Other issues, such as super phasers, etc, I can't begin to guess about (unless it's just a manifestation of 2xPh-1 volleys at the same moment... (look ma, way to get SFB-style internals done...

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Kroma_BaSyl · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2003, 04:38:15 pm »

Yes now I see your point, might just be on to something....then again it might just be Tracey giving Dave a run for the title "Evil".

Lepton1 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2003, 05:12:05 pm »

It has also been noted that sometimes AI ships are taking longer to blow up than usual. Perhaps if the ships are "doubled", this means the number of internals needed to blow them up are doubled. This might be a test that could be done to explore this. If we can determine the number of internals that is needed to destroy each ship, in instances where double firing is happening, the destruction of that ship might prove to have doubled hitpoints (internals taken) as it were in the mission summary screen.

Herr Burt · « **Reply #23 on:** March 28, 2003, 11:47:50 pm »

If the bug were only happening to fighter carriers (which are the ships that appear in the list twice with the same name), I might view the shiplist as a possible suspect when combined with certain missions. But that doesn't seem to be the case. It's hard for me to judge though as I've still never seen the bug.

A few mission-packs ago, some Evil Dave base assault missions had a problem where the AI would fight you for control of your ship. I noticed then that you would have two sets of weapons in you ship; one that you could fire and one that the AI could fire. I'd suspect this problem is similar that one. The difference being that now the AI controls both sets of weapons, and so reaches the decision to fire both sets at once. In the Dave missions I rarely agreed with the AI decisions for my vessel and thus I usually fired my weapons seperately from his. (when I could get my ship pointed in the same direction)

For information sake:
The Gorn get their fighters from Federation entries. Being second in the shiplist, they had but one choice for a donor.

-Herr Burt

FPF_TraceyG · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2003, 11:49:12 pm »

Well, I'm glad its not just the AI Officers, thanks Dave. Its difficult to 'debug' when I can't reproduce the problem on the test server though.

Julin Eurthyr · « **Reply #26 on:** March 29, 2003, 09:44:15 am »

And a followup with proof...

Notice the I-SEAs. If anything, they are Drogue ships, which means they should be only on the Romulan portion of the shiplist... Yet, they're flying from the ISC here... (and cloaking quite intellegently, thank you... Perhaps the ISC should get the Cloaking device, as our AI uses it nicely...

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For the record, this was AlliedPatrolB...

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