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Stormbringer

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Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« on: February 02, 2003, 11:46:02 pm »
I would like to make 'em myself so they would be exactly as I imagine them but don't know squat about modeling nor do I have modeling software other than the free G-max. So I am reduced to asking some of the talented modellers here for some charity... What I imagine are gorn cruisers in gorn textures (alloy colors, insignia, other detailing)  but using the TMP federation saucers and having nacelles that are derivative of  the connie ones. They would be mutated to incorporate some gorn tech detailing.  The engineering hull would be more like the squatish flat classic gorn evolving towards the designs from the SFC game.  I would not know where to begin (dont even know how to take a model apart), but would like to see my ideas on the screen. Just selfish, I guess...  a three saucered shuttle/plasma canarded bronzed low slung nacelled reptilian engine of mayhem.....ack!!!!      

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2003, 12:34:33 am »
BUMP!

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2003, 12:19:42 am »
Cough!!! Bump! Oops. Pardon me...

Rod O'neal

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2003, 12:21:13 am »
This isn't exactly what you were asking about but, have you been to the Feral Yards? There are some nice TMP Gorns there that are styled from TOS/SFB.  


 http://www.feralyards.co.uk/  

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2003, 12:20:31 am »
Those are better than most I've seen. My other problem with the gorn and some other models (hydran, for example)  has always been that they never look like a manufactured item. No seams, plates rivets or logical detailing that should be present on anything complex and machined.  Other models like the Romulans and klingons don't seem to suffer from this deficiency. (Any comments as to why this is, out there?) This set you linked to has my other concern; that of  being true to the design style of the source material, licked and has went along way towards the one I stated in this post that of appearing technologically "realistic".

I will download them because they are really very good. I still wish someone would make one around the concepts I originally put up (over two years ago). I just think it would look very cool. but maybe I'm just    

Rod O'neal

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2003, 12:40:02 am »
Here are some others that might be closer to what you want


http://sfc.strategy-gaming.com/chrisjonesmods/models.shtml  

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2003, 12:21:13 am »
I downloaded these, too as they are quite good.  I think, though, that in terms of "realistic" looking hulls, the Feds, then Klingons then the Romulans have the most going for them. The rest look rather like animated cartoonswhile often the feds and company mentioned looked more like someone filmed an object in real life. Its not  just the Gorns but also the hydrans, lyrans and mirak. That is why I thought a bashed fed might make a more convincing skin for a gorn. Just by changing the alloy color but maintaining a metalic sheen and by morphing the parts a bit plus then adding gorn touches.  

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2003, 06:39:04 pm »
Bump! (Damit)

StClair

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2003, 01:44:54 am »
So you're saying you'd like to see "aztec"-style detailing on ships other than Fed?  More 'pin' lights illuminating sections of hull?

As for actual rivets, etc:  at the scale of these models/vessels, details like that are going to be invisible.  Consider that each pixel on an average texture is about a scale meter wide...
 

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2003, 03:03:20 am »
While rivets are a bit much, perhaps, I mean that the other races ships other than the big three often come across as cartoonish, lacking in technological detailing for whatever reason. The only ships that should not look like products of technology should be organic ships like species ( Whatever) ships in the voyager series. I think the reason the other races ships lack such detail may be a lack of references, photos and artists renditions. The feds and to an extent the klingons and romulans have much more in the way of such references and much more time has been spent on the details of thier ships, the others appeared rarely if at all other than in the animated series or the SFB pen and paper game. In the case of the gorns, because ADB source material had them utilizing federation technology in the hulls of thier ships at one point in thier timeline it isnt much of a stretch to use fed derived details to fill in the blanks left by thier rarity in cannon material.

To counter the "They are not human and thier ships should not look like humans" argument, I say that regardless of the fact they are not part of the federation they would still have a technological signature in the manufacture of thier ships. There would be exhausts, radiators, shield generators and grids etc. etc. The hull would probably have been made from smaller pieces to some degree. There would be logic to the placement of hatches, viewing ports, sensor pods.  Where are the fighter/shuttle bays (on the stock stuff) that gorns are famous for?

 I will stop as I appear to be repeating myself here somewhat

Surely you have seen the differences between rare ships (tholians, gorns, hydran, mirak, lyrans, isc) and the more common federation,  klingon and romulan ships. It is not that the models are poorly done though I know it may sound as if that is what I am saying. They are not poorly done. I have downloaded most of them and have been doing so since SFC I came out. I simply want to see the type of gorn I have described in this thread  _in addition_ to the other  models out there. The two sets based on ADB designs laid out in the links folks have posted in reply are terrific by the way. If you take the first set and give those the sleek leaner lines of TMP era feds and a little technical detailing and they are basically what I had in mind. The second set is also a good template for the "stormbringer" version.

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2003, 12:04:10 am »
GRONK! (-I mean" Bump!")

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2003, 04:13:39 am »
Bonk! Er, I mean BUMP!

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2003, 11:44:30 pm »
BUMPAGE!


Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2003, 07:53:12 pm »
Quote:

I have a few Drawing of some Gorn that I have designed...But no-one has model them yet
but you are more than welcom to have a look

http://www.themackiestuff.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=36&size=big&papass=
http://www.themackiestuff.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=35&size=big&papass=
http://www.themackiestuff.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=34&size=big&papass=
http://www.themackiestuff.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=33&size=big&papass=  




Those are nice looking designs. TNG era I take It? I hope some one models them for you. I/d like a little more subdues color scheme but the actual shape is awesome. Thats really good work. I'll certainly download them if someone makes them.

The ones I've been yaking about are essentially SFB gorn designs constructed of fed parts (really not much more than a kit bash). They would be approximatelyTMP era ships.

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2003, 08:15:21 pm »
Yep, it's a BUMP!

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2003, 05:52:12 pm »
Bump?

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2003, 10:38:37 pm »
bump

Stormbringer

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Re: Kitbash request: TMP era Gorn CA, CC and DN with a twist
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2003, 03:45:03 pm »
Right. Thats it then. I shall make my own.