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Herr Burt

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DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« on: March 22, 2003, 02:14:23 am »

Running around on DOE talking to a few people in chat, I realized there were a few finer points about DOE that I forgot to tell people:

1) If you are in a carrier, don't waste money buying drouges.  They won't luanch.  (This is intentional, I call it "cheese prevention")

2) Don't be surprised when the DV drops by 5 (or more).  I wanted people to be able to see quick changes during the Wargames phase.  This will go back to unity when we start for real

3)You'll see a few "embassy" hexes on the map for the Mirak, Hydrans, and BlueFeds.  They should be well away from any action.  Leave them alone, OK?  The server gets confused when it can't determine the economic status of an empire.

4)The draft radius is currently 1.  Mea Culpa.  This one was a mistake.  I'll fix it later.

5) You have to log on as Lyran to play Fed.  I apologize for teh brown, but at least if you use the conversion scripts you get to look at a Federation cursor.

Have fun storming the castle, boys.

-S'Cipio
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Herr Burt

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2003, 03:19:08 am »
More things I shoulda told ya:

1) You can control your drogues.  Select them as your target, then press the backspace key.  You will "jump" into the drogue.  To get back into your ship, select your ship as your target and press the backspace again.  DON'T LET YOUR SHIP GET KILLED WHILE YOU ARE PLAYING GAMES WITH YOUR DROUGE!!

2) The Phaser Drogue has a phaser 1 and a phaser 3

3) The PLD drogue has a Plas-D rack.  (Good for when those fighters start overrunning you.....)

4) The Rom/Gorn HVY drouge has 3 plas F

5) The Fed HVY drogue has 2 A racks with 1 set of reloads.  Redock to reload.

6) The Fed DRN drogue has 6 DroVI racks (1 shot each, but all can fire at once).    Redock to reload

7) The Gorn/Rom drogue has 6 shuttles and 6 mines. (Think Starships troopers and drop pods.  With the assault shuttle disabled in the D2, this is the best I can do.)   It takes a while to get them all loaded, but can make for quite a shock when you are ready to storm that planet.  Four shuttles can launch at once.

8) Drogues are FRAGILE!

More as I think of it.

-Herr Burt the pondering
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TheMaverick

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2003, 03:25:57 am »
*Looks at Mat* "Can we BBQ him now?"
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Cleaven

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2003, 06:19:07 am »
Did I miss the bit about why there is a planet in a neb at 0,7?

 
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FPF_TraceyG

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2003, 07:55:07 am »
Ooooooh...
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Dizzy

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2003, 09:54:08 am »
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5) You have to log on as Lyran to play Fed.  I apologize for teh brown, but at least if you use the conversion scripts you get to look at a Federation cursor.-S'Cipio  



Ok, I have had this sneaking suspicion all along that HB is scipio. I dont know why I didnt ask...

Anyway, Tell me more about the conversion scripts... SG3 has one shared race. I'd like to make sure that I'm doing it correctly.
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FatherTed

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2003, 09:57:49 am »
Can we expect that every patrol that doesn't have an Orion AI will feature a carrier?    
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Matsukasi

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2003, 03:48:01 pm »
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*Looks at Mat* "Can we BBQ him now?"  



: guiltily hides his Bic lighter, and waves madly at the burning straw stuffed into Herr's boot top :

Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Herr Burt

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2003, 04:11:44 pm »
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Did I miss the bit about why there is a planet in a neb at 0,7?

   



That would be earth.  Everyone's homeworld is in a nebula.  Just in case.

-Herr Burt
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Herr Burt

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2003, 04:15:54 pm »
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Ok, I have had this sneaking suspicion all along that HB is scipio. I dont know why I didnt ask...

Anyway, Tell me more about the conversion scripts... SG3 has one shared race. I'd like to make sure that I'm doing it correctly.  



The conversion scripts are simple DOS scripts that move files around.  Bascially, they make backups of all your cursors, shiplists, and fighter lists, and then replace them with the ones from your DOEConverter folder.  The unconversion script earse all these, then recovers your originals from the backup.

The backups show up as things like SAFElist.txt.  The Conversion script also checks for the existence of files like SAFElist.txt, and exits if it sees them.  This is so it doesn't accidentally overwrite your backup with a converted file.

-Herr Burt (AKA S'Cipio)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by Herr Burt »
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Herr Burt

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2003, 04:19:03 pm »
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Can we expect that every patrol that doesn't have an Orion AI will feature a carrier?    



Shouldn't.  That hasn't been my experience today.  What are you in?  I'm beginning to suspect that you may see more enemy carriers if you are in a command ship or a carrier.  But I haven't decided on that for certain.

-Herr Burt
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FatherTed

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2003, 05:16:06 pm »
Was a Gorn CM.  
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Dizzy

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2003, 05:21:27 pm »
Oh, ok HB. Lemee ask you, did you intend to have tholians from the start? Or was that decision made after I threw the Tholians into the ring for SG3?

And I'd like to know about the ftrlist you are doing. I think a reworked ftrlist along the lines of true SFB would be much better for the SG3 server than the stock SFC. As yet, I havent spent a minute on the ftrlist.

Also, how hard would it be to replace a cursor and sound files from one race to another. I.E. 2x races share the same race. So in order to have the imported race use their original interface, cursor and sound files... Do you have an idea how to do that?

And last thing... Your Dos script installs and uninstalls all your mods?



 
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Herr Burt

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2003, 05:51:50 pm »
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Oh, ok HB. Lemee ask you, did you intend to have tholians from the start? Or was that decision made after I threw the Tholians into the ring for SG3?



Hmph.  See this thread and note the date.

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=38155&Forum=UBB2&Words=Flintstones&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=6months&Main=38138&Search=true#Post38155

I rather thought you'd nabbed my idea.  

-Herr Burt  
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NuclearWessels

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2003, 05:57:00 pm »
OK you two - webcasters at 20 paces!
 
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Dizzy

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2003, 06:34:22 pm »
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Oh, ok HB. Lemee ask you, did you intend to have tholians from the start? Or was that decision made after I threw the Tholians into the ring for SG3?



Hmph.  See this thread and note the date.

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=38155&Forum=UBB2&Words=Flintstones&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=6months&Main=38138&Search=true#Post38155

I rather thought you'd nabbed my idea.  

-Herr Burt  



Ok, I see the date on that of 3/11. I made my announcement on the SG3 dev forum on 3/02. Prior to that, the Tholians were already in as a non-player race and only moved to a player race because I decided to switch the Lyrans and Hydrans. So the Tholian models and shiplist were in place much earlier than 3/02.

NM that tho. I dont mind you stole my idea, cuz I'm stealing your fighter ideas...

Do you want to use my new meshes for the Tholian Download so they all look the same on DOE and SG3? I'll be happy to share my Tholian shiplist as well, I have 3x as many tholian ships as you.

But I'd like to work with you on SFB fighters, if you will help me...



Edit: Here is the link to my Tholian models and new meshes: http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=40032&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1
« Last Edit: March 22, 2003, 06:36:09 pm by Dizzy »
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KATChuutRitt

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2003, 02:12:04 am »
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Oh, ok HB. Lemee ask you, did you intend to have tholians from the start? Or was that decision made after I threw the Tholians into the ring for SG3?



Hmph.  See this thread and note the date.

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=38155&Forum=UBB2&Words=Flintstones&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=6months&Main=38138&Search=true#Post38155

I rather thought you'd nabbed my idea.  

-Herr Burt  



Ok, I see the date on that of 3/11. I made my announcement on the SG3 dev forum on 3/02. Prior to that, the Tholians were already in as a non-player race and only moved to a player race because I decided to switch the Lyrans and Hydrans. So the Tholian models and shiplist were in place much earlier than 3/02.

NM that tho. I dont mind you stole my idea, cuz I'm stealing your fighter ideas...



Actually Dizzy Herr Burt just posted the wrong thread here is the correct link

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=2784&Forum=All_Forums&Words=7817&Match=Username&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=2784&Search=true#Post2784

He was the fist with the Tholians, but your ideas for them on SG3 are no less intriguing because of it.

KATChuut-Ritt
--Kzin Historian and Keeper of the Truth

 
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Losiack

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2003, 07:50:27 am »
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He was the fist with the Tholians, but your ideas for them on SG3 are no less intriguing because of it.

KATChuut-Ritt
--Kzin Historian and Keeper of the Truth

 



On behalf of the SPQR, I want to lodge a protest for the ASSUMED title "Keeper of the Truth" (so this is how you spell that strange word .... thanks Chuut ) by KAT Chuut-Ritt. It has been proven time after time that the SPQR (if it existed) is much better at KEEPING the thrut .... truht .... truth (now I've got it. My spell checker does not recognize that word. thanks again Chuut).

As for speaking it ........  


SPQR Losiack
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The IRIS sees all
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Dizzy

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Re: DOE: Things I shoulda' told ya'
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2003, 10:44:43 am »
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He was the fist with the Tholians, but your ideas for them on SG3 are no less intriguing because of it.

KATChuut-Ritt
--Kzin Historian and Keeper of the Truth

 



Ok, I see the thread. I missed it. I never really used this forum until 2/9/03.

Its kinda funny, tho, cuz I planned to do the same thing with the tholians, use them as AI.

The resources I was able to find on the net, however, and the shared shiplist ideas for RDSL led me to believe that I could make the Tholians a player race and still use all 8 original races.

In fact, I was able to find so much material on the Tholians that they will be a player race represented by 16 different models and nearly 40 ship types.

I think that we both seperately developed the Tholians almost at the same time which I find to be a very interesting coiincidence.

Regardless,  the result is only good for the players. The work we are doing is for your enjoyment.

I do have a regret. It would have been better, had I known HB was doing the Tholians, we coulda worked together. Since I totally reworked the meshes on the models we are using, woulda be nice to have worked together.

I didn't realize until this thread that the tholians are in DOE, but it's good they are being introduced now. kinda paves the way for them being a player race in SG3.
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