Topic: U.S.S And NCC WHAT ARE THEY?

[StarTrekcaptain]

Ok, I thought I was getting abit confused abit this whole six enterprise thing, so I have just watched the episode again and heres how it ran

Bridge Defiant - Viewscreens all fuzzy

Miles "I'm picking up another ship"

Sisko "Can you identify it?"

Dax "No, but its close, VERY close"

Miles "Hang on, I've got it"

The viewscreen begins to clear up and its the Enterpirse inall her CGI glory, its kirks enterprise, the one from TOS

Credits

DS9 Siskos office  Sisko is there and two agents from Temproal Investigations Starfleet are there

Agent one "Which Enterprise Captain?  Be spiefic there have been 5"

Aganet two "Six!"

Sisko "Oh, this was the first enterprise - Consitution class"

Agent 1 "AHH.  THE SHIP"

Agent 2 "Captain James Kirk

Sisko - Smiling Broadly "The one and Only"

Agent 2 "17 seperate temproal vilolations, the biggest file on record"

Angent 1"the man was a menece."

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Anyway, my point is that if they called that ship the FIRST one, then that means there have been 5 other ones after it.  Now this was episode 5.3.2 and First contact wasn't released untill episode 5.5.2, this was when they changed the uniforms to coinside with irst Conatct.  Now they say in First conatct that they have been out in space a year now (Gerdi does when they have been sent to the neutral zone)  So we can count that as one of the five.  So we still have the problem of determining the others.  BUT, my point is, in that timeline in what we call "Cannon"  there was NEVER a NX-01 Enterprise!  And this makes me MAD so very MAD.  That after 30 years, they just say oh I know, lets ruin everything that startrek is and create ships that never existed.  Anyway, I could go on for ever about how much I hate Enterprise, but I will finish by saying, I like to consider myslef an "Expert" in TNG timline, I never saw TOS untill I had watched many episodes of TNG and DS9 so I prefer the TNG universe.  And like I said, when people go messing with my expertise, It makes me mad.  So from this day forward, as I am using this episode of DS9 as my proof I declare this -

"ALL ENTERPIRSE EPISODES, AND PLOTS, SUB-PLOTS WHAT HAVE YOU, ARE TO BE DECLARED NON-CANNON."

I think that is fair.

 

[Hercules]

As far as I know, U.S.S. stands for United Star Ship.

And as for N.C.C., I think this is a nautical term used by the Navy. When a ship is built, it is commissioned. And there is a hell of a lot of Naval references in Star Trek too.

Therefore N.C.C. stands for Naval Commissioning Contract, and then the number of that contract....e.g. NCC 1701....


NX would be Naval eXperiement....hence NX-01....  

[Alidar Jarok]

Quote:
Ok, I thought I was getting abit confused abit this whole six enterprise thing, so I have just watched the episode again and heres how it ran

Bridge Defiant - Viewscreens all fuzzy

Miles "I'm picking up another ship"

Sisko "Can you identify it?"

Dax "No, but its close, VERY close"

Miles "Hang on, I've got it"

The viewscreen begins to clear up and its the Enterpirse inall her CGI glory, its kirks enterprise, the one from TOS

Credits

DS9 Siskos office  Sisko is there and two agents from Temproal Investigations Starfleet are there

Agent one "Which Enterprise Captain?  Be spiefic there have been 5"

Aganet two "Six!"

Sisko "Oh, this was the first enterprise - Consitution class"

Agent 1 "AHH.  THE SHIP"

Agent 2 "Captain James Kirk

Sisko - Smiling Broadly "The one and Only"

Agent 2 "17 seperate temproal vilolations, the biggest file on record"

Angent 1"the man was a menece."

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Anyway, my point is that if they called that ship the FIRST one, then that means there have been 5 other ones after it.  Now this was episode 5.3.2 and First contact wasn't released untill episode 5.5.2, this was when they changed the uniforms to coinside with irst Conatct.  Now they say in First conatct that they have been out in space a year now (Gerdi does when they have been sent to the neutral zone)  So we can count that as one of the five.  So we still have the problem of determining the others.  BUT, my point is, in that timeline in what we call "Cannon"  there was NEVER a NX-01 Enterprise!  And this makes me MAD so very MAD.  That after 30 years, they just say oh I know, lets ruin everything that startrek is and create ships that never existed.  Anyway, I could go on for ever about how much I hate Enterprise, but I will finish by saying, I like to consider myslef an "Expert" in TNG timline, I never saw TOS untill I had watched many episodes of TNG and DS9 so I prefer the TNG universe.  And like I said, when people go messing with my expertise, It makes me mad.  So from this day forward, as I am using this episode of DS9 as my proof I declare this -

"ALL ENTERPIRSE EPISODES, AND PLOTS, SUB-PLOTS WHAT HAVE YOU, ARE TO BE DECLARED NON-CANNON."

I think that is fair.

 

Why do you say that?

Here are all the cannon Enterprises that existed at that time (Not including NX-01)

Space Shuttle Enterprise (OV-101)
SS Enterprise (seen in ST: TMP)
USS Enterprise NCC-1701
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E

Count it, that's 7 cannon "Enterprises."  Two of them are before Kirk's ship.

However, if you just count "Federation" ships, you get:

USS Enterprise NCC-1701
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E

5 Enterprises.
Kirk's ship is the first "Enterprise"

[Hercules]

Mind you, Enterprise is set before the Federation is born. At the moment its only StarFleet Command!!!!  

[TheSatyr]

I always thought USS="United Star Ship"(For the United Federation of Planets).

Shows you how much I know...but then I haven't watched any Star Trek in over 5 years.    

[Credo Narth]

Good point, Mr Jarok. You get around the fact that the NX-01 isn't part of the Enterprises because it wasn't a Federation vessel.

I think that the sad facts about Enterprise is that A) the script writers don't know enough about their Trek history to be able to write Star Trek pre-history accurately enough. And/or B) the timeline has been pawned in a shameless attempt to extend viewer ratings.

Apart from that, I think Enterprise is pretty good. In fact, I think that the first series is better than TNG's first series (Natasha Yar excluded from the equation, of course), and it could turn out to be pretty good overall. Give it time...