Topic: U.S.S And NCC WHAT ARE THEY?

[Hercules]

Mind you, Enterprise is set before the Federation is born. At the moment its only StarFleet Command!!!!  

[TheSatyr]

I always thought USS="United Star Ship"(For the United Federation of Planets).

Shows you how much I know...but then I haven't watched any Star Trek in over 5 years.    

[Credo Narth]

Good point, Mr Jarok. You get around the fact that the NX-01 isn't part of the Enterprises because it wasn't a Federation vessel.

I think that the sad facts about Enterprise is that A) the script writers don't know enough about their Trek history to be able to write Star Trek pre-history accurately enough. And/or B) the timeline has been pawned in a shameless attempt to extend viewer ratings.

Apart from that, I think Enterprise is pretty good. In fact, I think that the first series is better than TNG's first series (Natasha Yar excluded from the equation, of course), and it could turn out to be pretty good overall. Give it time...

[StarTrekcaptain]

What does U.S.S Stand for in the Trek Universe?

And what does N.C.C Stand for?

I know that USS stabds for United States Ship (I think, I'm British you see!) But surely It can't mean that in the trek universe?

Ad I have no Idea what NCC means!!!!!

Also another note on Enterprise:

In the DS9 Episode "trials and tribble-actions"  the temperal guys come to talk to Sisko about his trip back in time.  There they say that there have been SIX Enterprises.  Now I'm not a trek tech spiecalist. so correct me if i'm wrong in naming the Enterpirses

TOS Enterprise

Motion Picture Enterprise

The next Enterprise running wth Star Trek 2 and The search for spock

The new refitted enterprise - after the One above was destoryed

Enterprise D the Famous TNG one

and finnaly the new Enterprise E on Trek 8,9 and 10

I'm not sure if this is correct but if it is, surely they would know about the NX Enterprise and count this as one???

[The Postman]

 

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TOS Enterprise

Motion Picture Enterprise

The next Enterprise running wth Star Trek 2 and The search for spock
 

These three are all the same ship.    

[Khalee]

NCC Navel Construction Contratc

They might have been talking about sublight ships named Enterprise as well, and remember earth fought a war with the Romulans , so there could have been a ship or two called Enterprise at that time.


In the Tos era there were only one It got updated later tho  

The Ships you mention from the motion Picture and st2 are the same ship.

The ship they got at then end of the Movie was simply another Enterprise class ship that was renamed and given a A after the number, It was either The Yorktown or (Tokape)?sp and it was then the same ship thru the rest of the movies   (I wish people would get that straight.)

Then You had a Excelsior  class ship named Enterprise B

A Ambassador class Ship With a C

A Galaxy class with a D

and the last a Sovereign Class with a E

hope that clears things up.

[DestinyCalling]

The generally accepted answer is

Naval Construction Contract.... But there are more variants than you would care to think about.....  

[SghnDubh]

You can find all you ever wanted to know about this kind of trivia here:

 Ex Astris Scientia

Best Trek resource on the web.


By the way,

USS = United Space Ship  

[Semper]

TOS...  The  Orginal  Series, not something from the Star Trek, but from the trekkies..  Fan-talk  

[Fluf]

And the USS stands for United Space Ship.  For being in the United Federation of Planets. Not United States Spaceship.

[Toten]

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What does U.S.S Stand for in the Trek Universe?
USS is originally United States Ship and makes sense since roddenberry didnt think too much on this detail, BUT in ST terms I believe it means UNITED SOLAR SYSTEMS since the United Federation of Planets wasnt in TOS cannon then, Then the ship name  hence "this is the USS Enterprise" from kirk all the time.

And what does N.C.C Stand for?
NCC was the registry designation New Constitution Class of which the USS Constitution NCC-1700 was the first, implying that there was an OLD constitution class.  Enterprise was NCC-1701 the second of the new constitution class.

Also another note on Enterprise:

In the DS9 Episode "trials and tribble-actions"  the temperal guys come to talk to Sisko about his trip back in time.  There they say that there have been SIX Enterprises.  Now I'm not a trek tech spiecalist. so correct me if i'm wrong in naming the Enterpirses

Dont forget Enterprise's Enterprise NX-01     (so thats one)

TOS Enterprise (NCC-1701 thats two)

Motion Picture Enterprise (NCC-1701 refitted still two)

The next Enterprise running wth Star Trek 2 and The search for spock  (NCC-1701A is a different ship that was Rechristened Enterprise when Kirk blew the original NCC-1701 up at the start of Search for Spock - so thats 3 now)

The new refitted enterprise - after the One above was destoryed (the same one from Star Trek III from above so that still 3)

At the begining of the first Star Trek Next Gen movie GENERATIONS, kirk et al is onboard for the maiden run of the next Enterprise -The Enterprise NCC-1701 B  thats the one with the NEXUS in it and Kirk an Picard team up for some fist fighting (so thats 4)

In one of the TNG TV show episodes - think is was called "Yesterday's Enterprise" the NCC-1701C comes thru a time rift to the future to Picards Enterprise and is beat up.  In that future the Klingon empire was overrunning the federation (hehehe as it should be) and the entire thing was caused by the C enterprise ducking out of a fight thru the rift and NOT saving a klingon outpost at khitomer from romulan attack, the "send C back" of history corrects this and leads to subsequent history being that the klingons and federation become allies.   This is also the episode where Tasha Yar character goes back in time so that the Talshiar Tasha Daughter character can arise. (so that is enterprise number 5)

Enterprise D the Famous TNG one, which is destroyed by a "powerful" BOP owned by the duross sisters, what a joke, a DN is destroyed by a FF in the opening of Generations (for MOST of the TNG movies is number 6)

and finnaly the new Enterprise E on Trek 8,9 and 10 (now we have the Sovergien class enterprise NCC-1701E which is from cannon the 7th enterprise)

There are allusions to other enterprises such as the "all good things" last TNG episode where Admiral Riker comes to the aid of the USS Pasteur (with Dr Crusher in command) which is a Phaser 4 centerline armed ship that litterally shoots holes in a Klingon Vorcha's hull, that effect looked kool.   This ship however is NOT a soverign but is a Tri-Nacelled Galaxy class.  This would indicate that there is atleast one more Galaxy hull named enterprise, BUT I think the registry was NCC-1701D which doesnt make sense since THAT ship was destroyed in the movie Generations Years before.  (so we have an 8th enterprise)

And I think there was a voyager episode with the time ship from the future that indicated there was a 28th centrury enterprise also.

The only thing that could be here is they meant there are 6 ships that have or had the name enterprise (assuming the space shuttle enterprise is NOT one of them, but remember in the TV show enterprise they do blip in the opening credits the space shuttle enterprise) OR there is another ship between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701 enterprises, quite possible but not to the best of my knowledge ever shown or alluded to.

I'm not sure if this is correct but if it is, surely they would know about the NX Enterprise and count this as one???  

I think the NX-01 is included in the listing of 6 previous enterprises

hope this helps  

[TOCXOBearslayer]

NCC is Naval Construction Contract

USS is short for UFP Star Ship, IIRC.  That is debatable though.... I found nothing to support it on Ex Astris Scientia.

As for 6 Enterprises Sisko refers to...

NCC-1701 Original Enterprise (TOS) and refitted Enterprise (ST:TMP) self destructed in Search for Spock

NCC-1701A  New Enterprise from ST movies. (first appears @ end of STIII: Search for Spock)

NCC-1701B was an Excelsior class ships first accorded by FASA's ST rpg.  Made 'canon' by its appearance in TNG 'Generations'

NCC-1701C  Ambassador class ship appeared in the TNG episode 'Yesterday's Enterprise'

NCC-1701D Galaxy Class ship from ST:TNG

Since the episode of Deep Throat Nine you mention came out before the NX-01 (Enterprise) and timeline wise before the NCC-1701E (ST:TNG Movies) was built, my guess would be that the sixth one Sisko is refering to is the USS Enterprise (OV-101) space shuttle, even though it never reached space.  It was the first 'space' shuttle.  

Though now, the NX-01 Enterprise is probably the 'canon' version....  

[SghnDubh]

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And the USS stands for United Space Ship.  For being in the United Federation of Planets. Not United States Spaceship.  

Fluf,
You don't read the threads, do you? I answered this 2 posts up. I believe, once again, that IT'S YOUR FAULT.

 

[ChamadaIV]

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NCC-1701A  New Enterprise from ST movies. (first appears @ end of STIII: Search for Spock)

Quick correction, the above first appeared at the end of  ST IV: The Voyage Home  and lasted for the duration of the TMP era movies and was decomissioned I believe after the events of the Khitomer Conference in  ST VI: The Undiscovered Country.  

[Azrael]

In our six Enterprises, are we counting Riker's "Enterprise" from the Future?

You remember.

With the three warp engines.

Three warp engines?  Yes, that's right, but let's see, six Enterprises, 3 warp engines, plus two from the regular models would be 5...

This is all starting to sound suspisciously like math.

I'm out of here, before I learn something.

Azrael  

[Arcilte]

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In our six Enterprises, are we counting Riker's "Enterprise" from the Future?

You remember.

With the three warp engines.

Three warp engines?  Yes, that's right, but let's see, six Enterprises, 3 warp engines, plus two from the regular models would be 5...

This is all starting to sound suspisciously like math.

I'm out of here, before I learn something.

Azrael  

HAHAHAHA... good observation  

[FINALmasa]

The "Enterprise" class is actually Constitution.

[Marauth]

Enterprise class is apochryphal - it came from FASA as far as I remember - the official line now is Constitution Refit. And actually the 6th Enterprise they were reffering to was the Enterprise-E which was constructed in 2372 - quite a bit before that ep. of DS9. If you REALLY want to argue for the existence of the NX-01 then you could say they were only reffering to Starfleet ships - that's the UFP Starfleet - I'maware of Enterprise butchering the Pre-TOS UESN (United Earth Stellar Navy) out of existence.

USS is actually UFP Star Ship according to most but that doesn't explain why non Starfleet UFP ships have the prefix SS which would lead us to assume they aren't UFP ships at all...

Edit: Also NCC = Naval Construction Contract - this is an invention of Franz Joseph and is not technically canon, the real reason was the guy who was making the studio model for the big E knew that some american fighter planes had the prefix NC to their registry at the time so he just added another 'C' to make it different. In the absence of an official explanation I'm inclined to go with the FJS reasoning.

[Alidar Jarok]

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Enterprise class is apochryphal - it came from FASA as far as I remember - the official line now is Constitution Refit. And actually the 6th Enterprise they were reffering to was the Enterprise-E which was constructed in 2372 - quite a bit before that ep. of DS9. If you REALLY want to argue for the existence of the NX-01 then you could say they were only reffering to Starfleet ships - that's the UFP Starfleet - I'maware of Enterprise butchering the Pre-TOS UESN (United Earth Stellar Navy) out of existence.

Although this never did exist.  People have also hypothesized that UESPA was pre-Federation starfleet (I've always rationalized it was a alternate name/code word for Starfleet Command)

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Edit: Also NCC = Naval Construction Contract - this is an invention of Franz Joseph and is not technically canon, the real reason was the guy who was making the studio model for the big E knew that some american fighter planes had the prefix NC to their registry at the time so he just added another 'C' to make it different. In the absence of an official explanation I'm inclined to go with the FJS reasoning.

That's right.  I beleive Gene Rodenberry was asked about this and he gave the explanation that some planes had an NC on them.  Also, The Soviet Union is CCCP and this was supposed to be a "United" Earth.

[Ward_XC]

I always considered NCC to be New Cruiser and the additional C was added to make things different.... what with the Enterprise NX for prototype. The Prometheus was also an NX type registry which leads me to believe that NCC isn't a manufacturer's logo but a distinguishing mark between active naval vessels/prototypes/civillian/scientific etc.