Topic: U.S.S And NCC WHAT ARE THEY? (Read 6507 times)

StarTrekcaptain · « **on:** March 15, 2003, 10:45:08 am »

What does U.S.S Stand for in the Trek Universe?

And what does N.C.C Stand for?

I know that USS stabds for United States Ship (I think, I'm British you see!) But surely It can't mean that in the trek universe?

Ad I have no Idea what NCC means!!!!!

Also another note on Enterprise:

In the DS9 Episode "trials and tribble-actions" the temperal guys come to talk to Sisko about his trip back in time. There they say that there have been SIX Enterprises. Now I'm not a trek tech spiecalist. so correct me if i'm wrong in naming the Enterpirses

TOS Enterprise

Motion Picture Enterprise

The next Enterprise running wth Star Trek 2 and The search for spock

The new refitted enterprise - after the One above was destoryed

Enterprise D the Famous TNG one

and finnaly the new Enterprise E on Trek 8,9 and 10

I'm not sure if this is correct but if it is, surely they would know about the NX Enterprise and count this as one???

The Postman · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2003, 11:03:18 am »

Quote:

TOS Enterprise

Motion Picture Enterprise

The next Enterprise running wth Star Trek 2 and The search for spock

These three are all the same ship.

Khalee · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2003, 11:19:11 am »

NCC Navel Construction Contratc

They might have been talking about sublight ships named Enterprise as well, and remember earth fought a war with the Romulans , so there could have been a ship or two called Enterprise at that time.

In the Tos era there were only one It got updated later tho

The Ships you mention from the motion Picture and st2 are the same ship.

The ship they got at then end of the Movie was simply another Enterprise class ship that was renamed and given a A after the number, It was either The Yorktown or (Tokape)?sp and it was then the same ship thru the rest of the movies (I wish people would get that straight.)

Then You had a Excelsior class ship named Enterprise B

A Ambassador class Ship With a C

A Galaxy class with a D

and the last a Sovereign Class with a E

hope that clears things up.

DestinyCalling · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2003, 11:19:52 am »

The generally accepted answer is

Naval Construction Contract.... But there are more variants than you would care to think about.....

SghnDubh · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2003, 11:26:16 am »

You can find all you ever wanted to know about this kind of trivia here:

Ex Astris Scientia

Best Trek resource on the web.

By the way,

USS = United Space Ship

Semper · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2003, 11:41:57 am »

TOS... The Orginal Series, not something from the Star Trek, but from the trekkies.. Fan-talk

Fluf · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2003, 11:43:17 am »

And the USS stands for United Space Ship. For being in the United Federation of Planets. Not United States Spaceship.

TOCXOBearslayer · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2003, 11:50:02 am »

NCC is Naval Construction Contract

USS is short for UFP Star Ship, IIRC. That is debatable though.... I found nothing to support it on Ex Astris Scientia.

As for 6 Enterprises Sisko refers to...

NCC-1701 Original Enterprise (TOS) and refitted Enterprise (ST:TMP) self destructed in Search for Spock

NCC-1701A New Enterprise from ST movies. (first appears @ end of STIII: Search for Spock)

NCC-1701B was an Excelsior class ships first accorded by FASA's ST rpg. Made 'canon' by its appearance in TNG 'Generations'

NCC-1701C Ambassador class ship appeared in the TNG episode 'Yesterday's Enterprise'

NCC-1701D Galaxy Class ship from ST:TNG

Since the episode of Deep Throat Nine you mention came out before the NX-01 (Enterprise) and timeline wise before the NCC-1701E (ST:TNG Movies) was built, my guess would be that the sixth one Sisko is refering to is the USS Enterprise (OV-101) space shuttle, even though it never reached space. It was the first 'space' shuttle.

Though now, the NX-01 Enterprise is probably the 'canon' version....

Azrael · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2003, 08:39:43 pm »

In our six Enterprises, are we counting Riker's "Enterprise" from the Future?

You remember.

With the three warp engines.

Three warp engines? Yes, that's right, but let's see, six Enterprises, 3 warp engines, plus two from the regular models would be 5...

This is all starting to sound suspisciously like math.

I'm out of here, before I learn something.

Azrael

FINALmasa · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2003, 11:23:24 pm »

The "Enterprise" class is actually Constitution.

Marauth · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2003, 06:54:26 pm »

Enterprise class is apochryphal - it came from FASA as far as I remember - the official line now is Constitution Refit. And actually the 6th Enterprise they were reffering to was the Enterprise-E which was constructed in 2372 - quite a bit before that ep. of DS9. If you REALLY want to argue for the existence of the NX-01 then you could say they were only reffering to Starfleet ships - that's the UFP Starfleet - I'maware of Enterprise butchering the Pre-TOS UESN (United Earth Stellar Navy) out of existence.

USS is actually UFP Star Ship according to most but that doesn't explain why non Starfleet UFP ships have the prefix SS which would lead us to assume they aren't UFP ships at all...

Edit: Also NCC = Naval Construction Contract - this is an invention of Franz Joseph and is not technically canon, the real reason was the guy who was making the studio model for the big E knew that some american fighter planes had the prefix NC to their registry at the time so he just added another 'C' to make it different. In the absence of an official explanation I'm inclined to go with the FJS reasoning.

Ward_XC · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2003, 02:33:17 am »

I always considered NCC to be New Cruiser and the additional C was added to make things different.... what with the Enterprise NX for prototype. The Prometheus was also an NX type registry which leads me to believe that NCC isn't a manufacturer's logo but a distinguishing mark between active naval vessels/prototypes/civillian/scientific etc.

StarTrekcaptain · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2003, 11:07:18 am »

Ok, I thought I was getting abit confused abit this whole six enterprise thing, so I have just watched the episode again and heres how it ran

Bridge Defiant - Viewscreens all fuzzy

Miles "I'm picking up another ship"

Sisko "Can you identify it?"

Dax "No, but its close, VERY close"

Miles "Hang on, I've got it"

The viewscreen begins to clear up and its the Enterpirse inall her CGI glory, its kirks enterprise, the one from TOS

Credits

DS9 Siskos office Sisko is there and two agents from Temproal Investigations Starfleet are there

Agent one "Which Enterprise Captain? Be spiefic there have been 5"

Aganet two "Six!"

Sisko "Oh, this was the first enterprise - Consitution class"

Agent 1 "AHH. THE SHIP"

Agent 2 "Captain James Kirk

Sisko - Smiling Broadly "The one and Only"

Agent 2 "17 seperate temproal vilolations, the biggest file on record"

Angent 1"the man was a menece."

-------------------------------------------------

Anyway, my point is that if they called that ship the FIRST one, then that means there have been 5 other ones after it. Now this was episode 5.3.2 and First contact wasn't released untill episode 5.5.2, this was when they changed the uniforms to coinside with irst Conatct. Now they say in First conatct that they have been out in space a year now (Gerdi does when they have been sent to the neutral zone) So we can count that as one of the five. So we still have the problem of determining the others. BUT, my point is, in that timeline in what we call "Cannon" there was NEVER a NX-01 Enterprise! And this makes me MAD so very MAD. That after 30 years, they just say oh I know, lets ruin everything that startrek is and create ships that never existed. Anyway, I could go on for ever about how much I hate Enterprise, but I will finish by saying, I like to consider myslef an "Expert" in TNG timline, I never saw TOS untill I had watched many episodes of TNG and DS9 so I prefer the TNG universe. And like I said, when people go messing with my expertise, It makes me mad. So from this day forward, as I am using this episode of DS9 as my proof I declare this -

"ALL ENTERPIRSE EPISODES, AND PLOTS, SUB-PLOTS WHAT HAVE YOU, ARE TO BE DECLARED NON-CANNON."

I think that is fair.

Hercules · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2003, 01:26:13 pm »

As far as I know, U.S.S. stands for United Star Ship.

And as for N.C.C., I think this is a nautical term used by the Navy. When a ship is built, it is commissioned. And there is a hell of a lot of Naval references in Star Trek too.

Therefore N.C.C. stands for Naval Commissioning Contract, and then the number of that contract....e.g. NCC 1701....

NX would be Naval eXperiement....hence NX-01....

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