Topic: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)  (Read 13379 times)

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Captain KoraH

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I'm psyched that an upcoming episode of Enterprise is featuring J.G. Hertzler playing a Klingon once again! For those of you who don't know him by name, he played Martok on DS9, one of the most colorful Klingon characters on any Trek series. He won't be playing Martok on Enterprise though, but a Klingon lawyer! The episode is called 'Judgment' and airs on 4/9/2003.

Also, it's confirmed that another upcoming episode of Enterprise features the Borg. The episode synopsis can be found here:

http://www.treknation.com/episodes/season2/regeneration.shtml

What the heck are the Trek writers thinking? Borg in Enterprise? This show's getting crazy. I hope it doesn't go the way of Farscape, and flush itself down the toilet with bad (really really bad) writing.


 

Lepton1

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2003, 11:41:04 am »
Well, I will state the obvious.   The Borg were on Earth at the time of First Contact with the Vulcans as shown in the movie of the same name.  So the fact that a few drones popup in North Pole is not a great stretch as I think the sphere was indeed destroyed in that movie, although it has been so long since I have seen it, I can't quite remember if that is true.

Subspace

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2003, 11:44:22 am »
it was blown to hell   while it sat their shooting at earth    

TalonClaw

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2003, 12:44:27 pm »
Yeah and somehow during all the action the borg got onto the Enterprise.  Now how did that happen with their shields up?

Just goes to show that you can do anything in the movies.

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it was blown to hell   while it sat their shooting at earth      



Christoff

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2003, 12:51:33 pm »
Watch the movie again After they came through the time vortex their shields and sensors were offline.

Suiric

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2003, 01:17:52 pm »
As thin as it might sound with both shields and sensors down.. the Borg could have beamed both places....enterprise obviously wouldn't be aware... "I like to think there are always possibilities"    

StarTrekcaptain

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2003, 01:51:54 pm »
This is why I HATE ENTERPRISE.  Don't get me wrong, I think its a cool idea, going back to the beginning of the Federation and what have you, but the writers are taking no respect AT ALL of the existing trek timeline.  

1: In TNG episode "First Contact" the Enterprise performs first contact with a new race.  In this episode Picard state and I quote "we perform First COntact this way, because 100 years ago a disatrous first contact with the Klingons led to almost a century of war".  SO WHAT THE HELL ARE THE KLINGONS DOING ON ENTERPRISE NOT SHOOTING AT EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2: Also in TNG I can't remeber the episode but its when Q sends them to the delta quadrant to face the borg for the first time.  Now Starfleet has NO record of the borg before this episode, so how can the borg appear on earth and then two hundred years later Starfleet has no idea of their existence.  

I could go on, but really I can't be arsed.  Enterprise is a HUGE dissappointment and should be axed and Mr Bremer so called "exective producer" sacked and someone who actully cares about Star Trek and its continuing sucess put in his place.

Pandion

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2003, 01:59:08 pm »
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This is why I HATE ENTERPRISE.  Don't get me wrong, I think its a cool idea, going back to the beginning of the Federation and what have you, but the writers are taking no respect AT ALL of the existing trek timeline.  

1: In TNG episode "First Contact" the Enterprise performs first contact with a new race.  In this episode Picard state and I quote "we perform First COntact this way, because 100 years ago a disatrous first contact with the Klingons led to almost a century of war".  SO WHAT THE HELL ARE THE KLINGONS DOING ON ENTERPRISE NOT SHOOTING AT EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2: Also in TNG I can't remeber the episode but its when Q sends them to the delta quadrant to face the borg for the first time.  Now Starfleet has NO record of the borg before this episode, so how can the borg appear on earth and then two hundred years later Starfleet has no idea of their existence.  

I could go on, but really I can't be arsed.  Enterprise is a HUGE dissappointment and should be axed and Mr Bremer so called "exective producer" sacked and someone who actully cares about Star Trek and its continuing sucess put in his place.  




Hear, Hear.

 

DiggityDank

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2003, 02:09:06 pm »
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This is why I HATE ENTERPRISE.  Don't get me wrong, I think its a cool idea, going back to the beginning of the Federation and what have you, but the writers are taking no respect AT ALL of the existing trek timeline.  

1: In TNG episode "First Contact" the Enterprise performs first contact with a new race.  In this episode Picard state and I quote "we perform First COntact this way, because 100 years ago a disatrous first contact with the Klingons led to almost a century of war".  SO WHAT THE HELL ARE THE KLINGONS DOING ON ENTERPRISE NOT SHOOTING AT EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2: Also in TNG I can't remeber the episode but its when Q sends them to the delta quadrant to face the borg for the first time.  Now Starfleet has NO record of the borg before this episode, so how can the borg appear on earth and then two hundred years later Starfleet has no idea of their existence.  

I could go on, but really I can't be arsed.  Enterprise is a HUGE dissappointment and should be axed and Mr Bremer so called "exective producer" sacked and someone who actully cares about Star Trek and its continuing sucess put in his place.  




That pretty much hit's the nail on the head.

TalonClaw

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2003, 02:50:23 pm »
Ah well they could have either beamed down then or a section of the sphere could have crashed on earth.

Suiric

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2003, 02:57:22 pm »
Like I said very thin...
Our cousins would find it 'highly illogical' though and tell  you to 'learn to govern your emotions'    

Draco

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2003, 03:41:36 pm »
To play devils advocate, if Archers? Enterprise encounters the Borg they may simply not know who they are dealing with. That would explain why the Federation database didn?t have the word ?Borg? in it.  

Pandion

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2003, 05:09:17 pm »
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To play devils advocate, if Archers’ Enterprise encounters the Borg they may simply not know who they are dealing with. That would explain why the Federation database didn’t have the word “Borg” in it.  




Sorry mate but that's a rubbish counter argument.

Nagoth

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2003, 05:46:54 pm »
I was thinking maybe they are going to do the time thing again.  Borg back in time or Enterprise in the future.  But the Borg going back in time is not out of the question sence they did it at will in First Contact.

The Question is : How will they not know they are Borg so Picard will still be shocked when he meets them for the first time. Also I wonder how a ship that is far Below the Enterprise D is going to fair - When the Next Generation Flag Ship Gave such a good show of her backside against them.    

Blitzkrieg

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2003, 06:19:24 pm »
I mean of the borg start saying, "we are the borg" then fair enough, its pants. If not then well, who would know what they are called? Maybe the information is classified after a time its all forgoten. Look the borg shouldnt be in there, but eh, its not a big deal. I think Enterprise isnt as good for other reasons.

FPF_TraceyG

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2003, 07:26:01 pm »
Well, I just hope something really bad happens at the end of the series that nullifies the entire timeline that Enterprise is set in, thus invalidating all the erroneous script writing in the pursuit for bailing out their ailing ratings.

Maxillius

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2003, 07:31:48 pm »
like the final episode of TNG, except they don't fix it in the second hour?

ChamadaIV

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2003, 07:56:00 pm »
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Well, I just hope something really bad happens at the end of the series that nullifies the entire timeline that Enterprise is set in, thus invalidating all the erroneous script writing in the pursuit for bailing out their ailing ratings.  




They did such a good job with the latter half of DS9 too. How can they SNAFU everything like this? I still say we give Berman & Bragga a chance and wait for the outcome of this episode. Heh, at least on the bright side, its not another "the Captain and Trip get captured" story.  

"For they know not what they do...." - unknown  

StarTrekcaptain

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2003, 08:25:02 pm »
 
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 I still say we give Berman & Bragga a chance and wait for the outcome of this episode.




Ok lets give them ONE MORE CHANCE.  They did bring us DS9 and Voyager.  Though its intresting to note that when the blessed Gene Roddenberry was alive (sorry if I got his name wrong) he threw out the idea of DS9, but I still love DS9.  So Berman And Bragga with Ira Stevenson (Who is a FANTATIC writer) did bring us 14 seasons of bliss (voyager and DS9, so I'm willing to give them ONE more chance.  I will of course have to wait till the episode is aired in the UK, if at all, but If it doesn't work or they crap around with the timeline again, then I'm shooting stright over the the "save star trek" webpage and signing my name on the petition to get Bremer thrown of!

SghnDubh

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Re: Martok and Borg on Enterprise!? WTF!!!!! (Very mild spoilers)
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2003, 08:47:17 pm »
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Well, I just hope something really bad happens at the end of the series that nullifies the entire timeline that Enterprise is set in, thus invalidating all the erroneous script writing in the pursuit for bailing out their ailing ratings.  





Problem is, as lousy as the ratings are, Enterprise is still the highest rated show on UPN.

But I agree with your point. Better writing would solve a lot of things. Problem is, hasn't it (mostly) all been told by now? How many encounters can a ship traveling through space have? Just a question...