Topic: Star Trek ships

[Don Karnage]

I couch download couch the movie so I can check that

[knightstorm]

Voyager was asking us to being that water was scarce on the other side of the galaxy.  Anybody that wants a little science in their fiction has got to hate that.

Not really.  Water ice is common.  Liquid water is alot less common.  Harvesting water ice from comets and asteroids might sound like a good idea, and it probably is for supporting a small outpost in the outer solar system, but when you think about the level of intensive labor needed to support an entire civilization through harvesting the water, and carrying it to where the people are, its understandable that there might be shortages of drinkable water, and that it would be a valuable commodity.

[Tulwar]

Knightstorm, the scarcity of water was not presented as a mere planetary phenomenon.  The Federation's technology to synthesize water on board a starship was presented as something beyond Kazon technology.  This is just silly.  Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the Universe.  If there is breathable air, anywhere, there is plenty of oxygen.  To synthesize water, all you need is a match.  People cannot live in spaceships without enough industry to synthesize everything we take for granted on Earth.

[TAnimaL]

Admittedly, it was clumsily written in the pilot, but I really think it was more about the replicator technology and not just "water". And it certainly didn't figure in any other episodes after that.

Look, it's like "Threshold." Or "Spock's Brain". Or "Code of Honor." Or "Move Along Home." Let's just pretend that never happened, okay??

[Don Karnage]

In the episode time's arrow when Picard and the other when back in time, where did they find the clothing of the period? They where in Star Fleet uniform, so mostly Riker where did he get a police uniform?

[TAnimaL]

I suppose a variation on what Kirk and Spock did in "City on the Edge..." After all, isn't that the first rule of time travelling, mug someone, steal their clothes?

[Corbomite]

In the episode time's arrow when Picard and the other when back in time, where did they find the clothing of the period? They where in Star Fleet uniform, so mostly Riker where did he get a police uniform?

The wardrobe department. 

[Don Karnage]

Hmm maybe, for both case. 

[Nemesis]

They knew from dating Datas head and the artifacts with it how far back they were going and where.  As I recall they went back dressed for the time and yes that means they did use the Enterprise wardrobe department. 

[knightstorm]

Knightstorm, the scarcity of water was not presented as a mere planetary phenomenon.  The Federation's technology to synthesize water on board a starship was presented as something beyond Kazon technology.  This is just silly.  Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the Universe.  If there is breathable air, anywhere, there is plenty of oxygen.  To synthesize water, all you need is a match.  People cannot live in spaceships without enough industry to synthesize everything we take for granted on Earth.

If planetary shortages of water are common, it stands to reason that water conservation would be emphasized for individuals traveling through space.  Ie.  Why would you waste a commodity which is worth more than gold.  As for producing water.  Methods of extracting hydrogen gas are all somewhat labor intensive, and you're also assuming that the civilizations in question haven't exhausted their fossil fuels supplies already.  How much coal and oil would you have to process to provide a population of 1 billion with sufficient drinking water.  If you're referring to collecting hydrogen from space, it presents the same problems as collecting icy rocks.

[Don Karnage]

They knew from dating Datas head and the artifacts with it how far back they were going and where.  As I recall they went back dressed for the time and yes that means they did use the Enterprise wardrobe department.

But they did not wear clothing from that time when they go back on time, they where wearing they Star Fleet uniform at that time. So unless the manage to find clothing that fit them, hats and a police uniform.

So how did they get those clothing? Did they sell they communicator? They did not have currency or pocket to or anything to buy the clothing.

So unless they steal them from a store that was close I don't see how they get clothing from that time. Also what did they do with they uniform? Data and the others? 

[knightstorm]

Look, it's like "Threshold." Or "Spock's Brain". Or "Code of Honor." Or "Move Along Home." Let's just pretend that never happened, okay??

Hey Spock's Brain was awesome.  Outside of the coolness of the remote control Spock, the episode had the best description of women you'll ever hear on TV.  "The ones who bring pleasure and pain."

[Corbomite]

Look, it's like "Threshold." Or "Spock's Brain". Or "Code of Honor." Or "Move Along Home." Let's just pretend that never happened, okay??

Hey Spock's Brain was awesome.  Outside of the coolness of the remote control Spock, the episode had the best description of women you'll ever hear on TV.  "The ones who bring pleasure and pain."

Eymorg!!

[Tulwar]

If planetary shortages of water are common, it stands to reason that water conservation would be emphasized for individuals traveling through space.  Ie.  Why would you waste a commodity which is worth more than gold.  As for producing water.  Methods of extracting hydrogen gas are all somewhat labor intensive, and you're also assuming that the civilizations in question haven't exhausted their fossil fuels supplies already.  How much coal and oil would you have to process to provide a population of 1 billion with sufficient drinking water.  If you're referring to collecting hydrogen from space, it presents the same problems as collecting icy rocks.

If you'll go down to the mat defending this horse manure, you'll defend anything.  I'm not wasting any more words.

[TAnimaL]

Tulwar hath spoken. All hail Tulwar.

Do you mind putting a hold on the rampant misogyny as well?

[knightstorm]

If planetary shortages of water are common, it stands to reason that water conservation would be emphasized for individuals traveling through space.  Ie.  Why would you waste a commodity which is worth more than gold.  As for producing water.  Methods of extracting hydrogen gas are all somewhat labor intensive, and you're also assuming that the civilizations in question haven't exhausted their fossil fuels supplies already.  How much coal and oil would you have to process to provide a population of 1 billion with sufficient drinking water.  If you're referring to collecting hydrogen from space, it presents the same problems as collecting icy rocks.

If you'll go down to the mat defending this horse manure, you'll defend anything.  I'm not wasting any more words.

Considering the idiocy you've posted in your quest to dump on anything that doesn't fit into your narrow 1970s licensed material world view, that's rich.  There's alot to criticize about Voyager, but the apparent lack of planetary water supplies in a relatively small segment of the galaxy isn't one of them.

[knightstorm]

Do you mind putting a hold on the rampant misogyny as well?

It not misogynistic.  You've obviously never experienced what a woman can do with a ball gag and a riding crop.

More Spock's Brain awesomeness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS3-kbqqR70

[Corbomite]

Yeah, ST was never  misogynistic. Note the comment about pleasure and pain. 

It Has No Bite

[Nemesis]

They knew from dating Datas head and the artifacts with it how far back they were going and where.  As I recall they went back dressed for the time and yes that means they did use the Enterprise wardrobe department.

But they did not wear clothing from that time when they go back on time, they where wearing they Star Fleet uniform at that time. So unless the manage to find clothing that fit them, hats and a police uniform.

So how did they get those clothing? Did they sell they communicator? They did not have currency or pocket to or anything to buy the clothing.

So unless they steal them from a store that was close I don't see how they get clothing from that time. Also what did they do with they uniform? Data and the others?

I watched through it last night and they had a "time jump" between them going into the past and showing them in the past.  Their landlord for example was complaining of them being a day late on their weekly rent which to me implies they had been there several days at least.  So somewhere between their going through the gate and being seen by the audience in the past is where they got the clothing.  So where it came from is anyones guess.

[Tulwar]

Do you mind putting a hold on the rampant misogyny as well?

WTF?