Topic: So anyone still play?

[TAnimaL]

Also, speed 31 in SFC is supposed to be around warp 3 Corbo, or Tanimal can probably give you the speciics.

speeds in SFC are left vague, probably intentionally. Since the ranges stated are in the "1" unit = 10,000 km format (e.g. The OP manual, pg. we should assume SFC is sublight combat. In SFB, yes, speeds are FTL; speed 1 is c, so WF 2 would be speed 8 (2^3), warp 3 would be speed 27 (3^3), and the top game speed was 32 (WF3.17) because of the "impulse movement chart" that game uses. (As I always like to point out, plasmas in SFB travel at speed 32, not 36 like in EAW & OP...) "Later," post-Commander's edition (late 80s), a race was introduced that used "hyperdrones" that moved at speed 64; this topic was wildly debated, argued and playtested in the SFB community, after attempts to write rules that covered trans-32 movements like 48 led to many problems. (The "hyperdrones" are used by a "simulator" race that individual playgroups can decide to use/ignore.)

Personally, I like the combat = sublight/ escape = warp premise in SFC, since it reflects most combat seen on screen post-1980 (Yes, yes, I know, there are contradictions that can be cited.) As I quoted from the SFB manual, the workaround to use a map scale that included planets while keeping turns to a minute were just gobbledeegook to me.

[knightstorm]

As I quoted from the SFB manual, the workaround to use a map scale that included planets while keeping turns to a minute were just gobbledeegook to me.

In other words, gameplay trumps reality.

[Age]

Missiles are chemically fueled warheads that travel well under impluse speeds.That any phaser or even laser could shoot them down.

Age, where did you come up with this conclusion?
I just want to understand where you are coming from. What possess you to think you can redefine someone else's artistic vision, clearly someone from the Trek World made it this way bc that's what they believed a photon torpedo was to be. They even stated that it could travel warp speeds. Even the Klingon/federation emissary traveled in a photon torpedo tube at warp in one of the episodes. I'm still fuzzy about what you are trying to say. Can you explain it again.

Because they are like sidwinder on a  F18 Hornet.What I am trying to say is that photons travel at warp speeds missles don't as phaser can't fired at warp.The missles you saw were fired from an asteroid.

I don't kmnd me asking but where did you and knightstrom come from as I never seen you post a few years ago and I know everyone in Trek gaming.

@knightstrom

A missile is a projectile that moves through air or space.  There is no speed limit on what can be considered a missile.  Photon torpedoes are guided missiles.

There is a speed limit on missles as they no more that a small version of a rocket.

First off, there is no speed limit on missiles, yes a sidewinder is a missile,

There are top speed limits on a missle.
http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/Sidewinder.html
Sidewinder supersonic is its top speed much like that of a car.

I meant there are no speed limits to what can be considered a missile.  You're putting down arbitrary rules because you don't want to call photon torpedoes missiles.

There are speed limits tough and you just refuse to aknowledge it.Appolo 11 is rocket missle with a top speed which is where you are getting confused.Photon torp is not a missle it is torpedo plain and simple if this is the case then Submarines are only carrying missles I don't think so.
http://hnsa.org/doc/jolie/index.htm

You just want to think you know everything about Trek if this was on any other board you would be laughed at as well as presented with a debate you would not win.

[knightstorm]

There are speed limits tough and you just refuse to aknowledge it.Appolo 11 is rocket missle with a top speed which is where you are getting confused.

What does that have to do with whether a photon torpedo is a type of missile?  Its a physical projectile that is launched through air or space.  The only reason you're being obstinate is because of its name.

You just want to think you know everything about Trek if this was on any other board you would be laughed at as well as presented with a debate you would not win.

Have you read any of your own posts?

[TAnimaL]

In other words, gameplay trumps reality.

yeah, in SFB, it's reality that the game is trying to trump. The hexes are 10000 kilometers across so that a planet like Earth fits in one, and the turns are about one minute. At warp 2, a ship would cover 14389 hexes a turn, or 450 an impulse. Rather impractical for gameplay So, either hexes would have to be much bigger, or the game's designers say it's "relativistic variable time distortion." Yeah, rriiiggghhhhttttt....

[TAnimaL]

Frankly, I have trouble reading Age's posts. Is English his second language? Maybe it sounds better in the original Klingon...

[FPF-DieHard]

Hory clap . . . .

I need to know, can Mighty Mouse beat up Superman?

[FPF-DieHard]

Frankly, I have trouble reading Age's posts. Is English his second language? Maybe it sounds better in the original Klingon...

Set your uninversal translator to 'retard' and his posts might make sense.

[FPF-DieHard]

In other words, gameplay trumps reality.

Yes.

In SFC/SFB a Photon Torp is a direct-fire energy weapon.  End of discussion.  Anything else some hack Trek-writer comes up with afterwards doesn't matter.

I always saw it as a weapon with a casing, basically an anti-matter bomb hurled via a rail-gun.  it rationalizes the power usage, the fact that it can miss, and the concept of the casing.

Seriously, trying to balance a game on Trek "cannon" is retarded as it's all over the place.

[Corbomite]

Who's trying to balance anything? We just like telling people that they are wrong about completely unimportant and made up stuff!

[knightstorm]

Hory clap . . . .

I need to know, can Mighty Mouse beat up Superman?

It depends on the actor.  I think he could probably take down Brandon Roth.

[Captain Adam]

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[Nemesis]

Set your uninversal translator to 'retard' and his posts might make sense.

  Knock it off 

2. Messages should always maintain a respectful, civil tone towards one another. Name-calling, personal attacks, baiting of others, and abuse is not allowed.

If you can't be civil don't post. 

[Corbomite]

I need to know, can Mighty Mouse beat up Superman?

Completely irrelevant. The real question is whether Lurch could take Herman Munster.

[Nemesis]

Did Lurch ever demonstrate superhuman strenght?  Herman did. 

[knightstorm]

Before we get into this debate, someone has to explain to me how Herman, a Frankenstein, can marry a Lily vampire and with her produce Eddie, a werewolf.

[TAnimaL]

I always saw it as a weapon with a casing, basically an anti-matter bomb hurled via a rail-gun.

So, you saw it as a physical object too. Pretty much what everyone has been arguing about. Just like what we saw on screen TWOK-on. Therefore, "canon" resolved!

A "cannon" is a heavy piec of artillery.   

[Captain Adam]

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[Corbomite]

Did Lurch ever demonstrate superhuman strenght?  Herman did.

Well, he did used to pick people up by the scruff of the neck a lot. Besides, Lurch was in a movie with Paul Newman and  Robert Redford at the same time! Herman only managed to get into a movie with Joe Pesci and Ralph Macchio, so I think Lurch has him beat.

[Nemesis]

Before we get into this debate, someone has to explain to me how Herman, a Frankenstein, can marry a Lily vampire and with her produce Eddie, a werewolf.

Lilly's father was a Vampire not Lily herself.  He might have been converted at any time after her conception.  The same for Eddie becoming a werewolf, he need not have been born that way.   Also of course no one knows the origin of the gonads for Herman, they could have come from anything.