Topic: Plasma bolts - possible?

[FPF-DieHard]

It took a while, but I finally mastered the plasma ballet and other related romulan tactics. Changing the plasma speed to 32 while having bolts would completely rewrite romulan tactics. They wouldnt feel or play the same at all.

I'm not sure that's a bad thing and think of how much better Gorn would be if they actually have a direct-fire weapon.

[TarMinyatur]

The Gorn might benefit from a longer-range G-torp, a persissstant Gorn-Torp that doesn't fizzle, without the troubles of a direct-fire plasma mode. IIRC, SFC 2.013pr (unreleased) had a modified Plas-G:

Range......0-10...11-15.....16-20.....21-25.....26-30.....31-32....33-34....35....36....37   
Damage....11........10...........9............8............7.............6...........5.........4......3......0

It traded initial warhead strength for endurance. (If you wanted 20-point crunch power, you could switch to F-torps.)

Your opponent could still run away at 31 for a long time to completely avoid damage, unless they started at range 5.9 (and had perhaps lit you up with Ph-1's, which have a pretty nice range 5 chart).

Of course, range 8.9 Phaser-boat attacks could neutralize this weapon, but Range 5.9 or 4.9 Phaser-boat attacks wouldn't escape unscathed.     

[Dizzy]

It took a while, but I finally mastered the plasma ballet and other related romulan tactics. Changing the plasma speed to 32 while having bolts would completely rewrite romulan tactics. They wouldnt feel or play the same at all.

I'm not sure that's a bad thing and think of how much better Gorn would be if they actually have a direct-fire weapon.

Romulan is harder than gorn. They generally have fewer phasers and weaker ships. I remember that match vs Corbo when I was in a Gorn BF and he was in an RHK. I barely beat him that match... BARELY. And from both sides of the fence, Gorn and Rom, that match wouldnt have been played anything like how it went down. Yeah, speed 32 plasma with bolts would rewrite everything. But I agree... distancing myself from the initial shock of having to relearn everything... It would be better imo to have a ranged option.

BUT, with PPD and bolts... who could stop the ISC then? Scary.

[knightstorm]

BUT, with PPD and bolts... who could stop the ISC then? Scary.

I can't stop them without bolts so no change there.

[Corbomite]

I remember that match vs Corbo when I was in a Gorn BF and he was in an RHK. I barely beat him that match... BARELY.

Couldn't have been me. I wouldn't fly an RHK if you paid me and you've never beaten me! 

[Strat]

I've been keeping an eye on this thread.

I can say that, having scanned through the code on the weapons... changing slightly existing weapons should be pretty easy from a programmer's point of view. I'm talking stuff like, speed, percent to hit, damage, ranges, etc. Personally I think hellbore needs a boost.  I could never get it to hit anything.. But then again I was never very good at hydran.

But, admittedly, making changes like this would have to be very... articulate.

Right now I'm fine just getting a stable release out of the old game.

[Dizzy]

I remember that match vs Corbo when I was in a Gorn BF and he was in an RHK. I barely beat him that match... BARELY.

Couldn't have been me. I wouldn't fly an RHK if you paid me and you've never beaten me! 

Yeah... I kept a low profile. You didnt even know I was your opponent. I didnt know it was you until later anyway when I found out from DH who was on voice comms with you when you died.

[FPF-DieHard]

When the heck did Dizzy even fly Gorn?

Anywhoo, looks like this is tabled and a moot topic.

[Dizzy]

Yeah, too bad too... Imagine giving fighters plasma bolts!

[Dizzy]

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163390597.msg1123011434.html#msg1123011434

That post and keep reading corbo. I never bragged about it. Still not. I mean, out of all the times you've handed me my ass, I finally one upped you on a server where neither of us knew who the other was. It was poetic. It was also the most challenging single match combat I've ever had.

[Corbomite]

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163390597.msg1123011434.html#msg1123011434

That post and keep reading corbo. I never bragged about it. Still not. I mean, out of all the times you've handed me my ass, I finally one upped you on a server where neither of us knew who the other was. It was poetic. It was also the most challenging single match combat I've ever had.

I see nothing conclusive in that set of posts that says it was me. As I said, I never flew the RHK on a server (at least not for any real amount of time and I never was in PvP with one), DH and I never even really began interacting until we got into PBR together, so I don't know how this "information" was passed to him by me and to be honest I can count on one finger the times I "died" on the D2. I lost plenty of skimishes by being run off the map, but only Warsears ever popped me.

[FPF-DieHard]

Yeah, too bad too... Imagine giving fighters plasma bolts!

The mini-photons worked well in that regard.

[Corbomite]

Yeah, too bad too... Imagine giving fighters plasma bolts!

The mini-photons worked well in that regard.

IIRC you couldn't bolt plasma in stasis, but I'd have to look it up.

[FPF-DieHard]

YRC -  it's just the Plasma-D were so broken on fighters (leading to some classically comical t00l nerd rage) the Phot-F just worked better

[Dizzy]

I wonder if they fixed plasma D.

Corbo, maybe I flew the Rhk and you flew the BF. Coulda been an MCC... Im not sure I remember exactly. But they were fairly even hulls and I immediately ate my smack talk a few minutes into the fight after I realized you wernt some chump I could push around. For an hour and a half I played someone that had equal to better skill than me and I just got lucky several times. Ill never forget that match. Its not something I'd forget when hearing from DH how one night some unknown knocked you off on a server and not even DH knew who it was. After giving a few details BSing with DH one night, that's when I realized it was you.

I'd always wondered who that was that'd given me the toughest fight on the D2. It was unreal man, I've never had a match against someone that skilled in all the servers I've flown. I can count with the fingers of one hand the number of captains that coulda flown like you did in that match... and cause we were both incognito, no one ever heard about it. But it came down to shuttle Ph3's man. It was epic. And dont think I'd forget something like learning who that captain was...

[Corbomite]

I wonder if they fixed plasma D.

Corbo, maybe I flew the Rhk and you flew the BF. Coulda been an MCC... Im not sure I remember exactly. But they were fairly even hulls and I immediately ate my smack talk a few minutes into the fight after I realized you wernt some chump I could push around. For an hour and a half I played someone that had equal to better skill than me and I just got lucky several times. Ill never forget that match. Its not something I'd forget when hearing from DH how one night some unknown knocked you off on a server and not even DH knew who it was. After giving a few details BSing with DH one night, that's when I realized it was you.

I'd always wondered who that was that'd given me the toughest fight on the D2. It was unreal man, I've never had a match against someone that skilled in all the servers I've flown. I can count with the fingers of one hand the number of captains that coulda flown like you did in that match... and cause we were both incognito, no one ever heard about it. But it came down to shuttle Ph3's man. It was epic. And dont think I'd forget something like learning who that captain was...

Dizzy, seriously, I would remember something like that too. DH and I were hardly (if ever) on the same side on any server. Think about it - how many servers were the Roms and Feds allied that we would be on TS together to hear something like that? You can't even remember the details of a fight you claim you will never forget. The MCC is a ship I liked to fly, but I can't recall playing Gorn on any serious server except as muscle for Fed ship. It is not my style to be left in a position of praying on an admin shuttle to save my bacon. I would have disengaged long before that. The only way I would have been there is if I had been caught off guard and been crippled. Maybe you are remembering one of the GSA matches we had later on? Either way, this is not the place to discuss it. If you want a detailed response of why I think you're nuts PM me.

[Dizzy]

Alright, deny it then. Thats cool. Like I have EVER lied about a match in all the thgousands of PvP matches Ive had. hmmmpppfff.

[Corbomite]

Alright, deny it then. Thats cool. Like I have EVER lied about a match in all the thgousands of PvP matches Ive had. hmmmpppfff.

I'm not really confiming or denying it. I have no memory of the match. Unless DH steps up and confirms your version of events I can't say that it happened. I remember two distict times I "died" on the D2 vs getting off the map. One was Warsears. I was flying Gorn in that encounter, but that was an X Ship vs that excellent carrier the Roms had and he flew it to the hilt and I wasted supplies before coming up with a strategy... and then botched it all over the place. The other was on Artic Fires when the D2 just started and Marcus Smythe captured my ship after I wasted most of my marines on H&R raids because I didn't even know you could do that to a player ship (up until that time there was only skirmishes on MPlayer and you couldn't capture there). The AI mananaged to pop me once or twice when servers were starting and I got too cocky in small ships trying to run fast missions, but I don't really count those.

EDIT: If you could remember the name used then I might be able to remember if it was one of my aliases.

[Dizzy]

So did Plasma D get fixed so we can use it on fighters?

And Corbo... I dont even remember the name I was using on that server let alone yours, or which server it was. I think it was sometime between 2005 and 2008.

So why does that match stick out? Why do I remember it so much? Because when I flew that match I was at the top of my game and I've never had a tougher opponent. It's hard getting even hulled matches... and when I got one I threw myself into it thinking it would be an easy kill because I'd never seen your name before. I taunted you on your skill the whole game... pretty quickly knowing I was likely bluffing my way into embarrassment because you turned out to so not be a noob. Also because we were both incognito. Neither of us publicly posted about it. And I didnt find out till the server ended and only through DH when late one night talking about server crap he mentioned you had gotten killed and said no one knew who that captain that killed you was. I mentioned the circumstances and he confirmed it. He also said he had always thought that it was me, because who else could it have been? His words. It'd be nice if DH remembered, but it doesnt matter. I love and hate flying against you, Corbo. Love it cuz you make me pull out all the stops and I hate it because I'm physically sick afterwards.

[Corbomite]

Well if it means so much to you, OK then, but I think someone confused me with someone else. Most of the PvP on the D2 was less than epic, so I usually remembered the fights that were a challenge.