Topic: SFC2 models in SFC1

[Spock1989]

Is it possible to use SFC2 mods in SFC1 if not is there a way to convert SFC2 to SFC1?

[Age]

I don't believe so even though they are both on the same game engine.What would the Mods be?

[Vipre]

You ask two different questions, clarification is needed.

Subject Line: SFC2 models in SFC1.   Yes, they can be converted to SFC1 just as 1 can to both 2 and 3.

Is it possible to use SFC2 mods in SFC1?      I don't know, depends on the mod. See Age's reply.

[Lieutenant_Q]

This has been discussed before, if I remember correctly:

SFC2 Models are usable in SFC1, they are essentially the same model, except the SFC2 models have Light Maps (for the Nacelle glow, deflector, running lights, even windows) that are incompatible with SFC1.  Theoretically you can remove the Light Map from the model and it can be used in SFC1.

As for Modifications:  They would need a considerable re-write to work between the platforms, it's not impossible, but extremely time-consuming.

[atheorhaven]

SFC2 .MOD files will point to the self-illumination channel even if there's no texture and that'll crash SFC1 down to desktop.  Bang.

You have to pull it into gmax, 3dsMax, or anything that lets you edit the .MOD file and remove the self-illumination channel, then save the resulting .MOD.  That'll let it work in SFC1.

[Vipre]

...and remove the self-illumination channel...

Is there a guide to doing this in 3dsMax? Import EaW/OP model, export and load in SFC1 I can do, but can't figure out how to remove the light maps without stripping the main texture mapping as well and ending up playing with an untextured model. I feel like I'm missing the obvious.

[Age]

SFC2 .MOD files will point to the self-illumination channel even if there's no texture and that'll crash SFC1 down to desktop.  Bang.

You have to pull it into gmax, 3dsMax, or anything that lets you edit the .MOD file and remove the self-illumination channel, then save the resulting .MOD.  That'll let it work in SFC1.

That is what I was thinking is the .Mod file as well the damage textures.

[Don Karnage]

So is there a way to do it for novice? 

[Spock1989]

I got milkshape 1.8.4 and the corresponding plugins, i need to know how to remove the illumination channels with milkshape so i can convert SFCII mods to work in SFCI, is there a tutorial on how to do this?

[yochenhsieh]

I got milkshape 1.8.4 and the corresponding plugins, i need to know how to remove the illumination channels with milkshape so i can convert SFCII mods to work in SFCI, is there a tutorial on how to do this?

You should do it with gmax. Milkshape cannot handle *_brk.mod so you can only convert normal model(*.mod). There are a few threads in the forum, see if you can figure it out yourself:
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163388198.msg1122982326.html

I'll try write something about it, but please don't expect too much. Haven't write anything serious for many years....

[Spock1989]

I got milkshape 1.8.4 and the corresponding plugins, i need to know how to remove the illumination channels with milkshape so i can convert SFCII mods to work in SFCI, is there a tutorial on how to do this?

You should do it with gmax. Milkshape cannot handle *_brk.mod so you can only convert normal model(*.mod). There are a few threads in the forum, see if you can figure it out yourself:
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163388198.msg1122982326.html

I'll try write something about it, but please don't expect too much. Haven't write anything serious for many years....

No problem, i dont like .brk models anyway, i like the explosion effect any way.(I like to think the enemy was blown to oblivion!!)

[yochenhsieh]

This is a very rough guide, you can just reply here if you don't understand any steps:
https://sites.google.com/site/sfc3rex/Home/guides/gmax_1

I use gmax since I no longer have legit milkshape install. Gmax is freeware.

[Vipre]

Man it's always something. 

So I follow the link, download, install, launch and register gmax...no problem, it loads fine.

Then I download the plugin file and as soon as I drop winmm.dll into the gmax folder I get this error when I try and launch the program, "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000142). Click on OK to terminate the application."

Remove winmm.dll from the gmax folder and it goes back to opening just fine.

Any idea why?

[yochenhsieh]

Man it's always something. 

So I follow the link, download, install, launch and register gmax...no problem, it loads fine.

Then I download the plugin file and as soon as I drop winmm.dll into the gmax folder I get this error when I try and launch the program, "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000142). Click on OK to terminate the application."

Remove winmm.dll from the gmax folder and it goes back to opening just fine.

Any idea why?

Where did you download the sfc3 gmax plugin?
I tried the file on my site, it works fine. You can try download it again:
https://sites.google.com/site/sfc3rex/Home/tools

I wrote a shorter guide for MilkShape3D here:
https://sites.google.com/site/sfc3rex/Home/guides/ms3d_1

[Vipre]

Yeah got that one, but downloaded it again...same thing.

Got the one from http://www.gamefront.com/files/11317254/SFC__MOD_Gmax_plugin ...same thing.

Just have to accept the universe telling me to sod off I suppose.