Topic: Dish vs the Networks

[Nemesis]

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oday, Dish Network found itself being sued by Fox, CBS and NBCUniversal in separate lawsuits over the feature, while simultaneously launching its own lawsuit against the three networks and ABC to defend the legality of its creation. In a statement to the press, CBS explained its lawsuit as responding to a service that “takes existing network content and modifies it in a manner than is unauthorized and illegal. We believe this is a clear violation of copyright law and we intend to stop it.” Fox offered a similar explanation, with its statement saying that the broadcaster was “given no choice but to file suit against one of our largest distributors, Dish Network, because of their surprising move to market a product with the clear goal of violating copyrights and destroying the fundamental underpinnings of the broadcast television ecosystem. Their wrongheaded decision requires us to take swift action in order to aggressively defend the future of free, over-the-air television.”

The movie and the ads have separate copyrights.  Recording the entirety of the movie without the ads is recording only the one copyrighted product (allowed by law -fair use).

[Sirgod]

I agree, and the second I can can my hands on that new ad skip box with Dish, you can bet I'm gonna grab it.

Stephen

[Javora]

My coworker has one of those and he loves it.  It's going to be interesting to see how this lawsuit shakes out.  We could see broadcasters looking for other ways for revenue.

[knightstorm]

And I suppose they're going to start suing everyone who distributes freeware commercial skipping software too now, or the remaining vcr manufacturers for including a fast forward button.

[Kreeargh]

And I suppose they're going to start suing everyone who distributes freeware commercial skipping software too now, or the remaining vcr manufacturers for including a fast forward button.

Adds are everything and nothing?  Shame that the add makers loose out. Its not like the public will not use the products cause a damn add is not on anymore?


One way add makers can make $ is to let the public choose what they want to see? So far its a forced issue. Most on the net want info looking for stuff.  Let the info flow? I dare any to make it real.

[Nemesis]

My advice to advertisers who don't want people to skip their ad:

1/ Don't make such annoying stupid ads.

2/ Don't play the ad so frequently that even a brilliant innovative ad is annoying in the first 2 hours of being aired.

3/  Get used to it. 

[Brush Wolf]

My advice to advertisers who don't want people to skip their ad:

1/ Don't make such annoying stupid ads.

2/ Don't play the ad so frequently that even a brilliant innovative ad is annoying in the first 2 hours of being aired.

3/  Get used to it. 

People have been skipping television ads since the advent of commercial television. The methods were not as high tech, they walked out of the room, as today but worked.

[Javora]

I think what we are going to start seeing is ads in the show itself like what Subway has been doing in episodes of Psych.

[intermech]

I recently had it out with Pandora over ads. I know that ads are how they make their money, I get it. However you get to choose the type of music, but you are still getting the type of ads you don't want shoved down your throat. This had to do with explicit material in ads, as I used to listen with my kids present. When I first complained, they gave me instructions how to ban explicit content from my account. It worked fine with the song selection, but explicit ads were still coming through, so I told them to shut down my account. At least on a medium like facebook, you can vote down offensive or annoying ads and not have to see them again.

Same thing with TV, once we had kids in the house, we cut the cable because regardless of the shows you let your kids watch, you never know when some offensive advertisement is going to pop up. I am sure my kids will some day learn all kinds of explicit language and see nudity and killing, but it won't be under my roof.

[Nemesis]

Apparently the appeal is still on going.

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"The record did not establish that [Dish], rather than its customers, made copies of television programs for viewing," the panel of judges wrote in their decision. The appeals court also didn't buy the broadcasters' argument that Dish was responsible for the copyright infringement of its customers. To come to such conclusion, the court would first have to rule that consumers copying was somehow unlawful and instead it noted consumers have a "fair use" right to view the shows they copy.

By upholding the lower court's decision, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has dealt a serious blow to the broadcasters attempt to fend off new technologies that the programmers say wrongfully use their content. The problem for Fox, CBS, and the other broadcasters is that copyright law no longer shields them from new technologies and delivery formats. Unless, they can get the laws changed, it appears they will have to accept a new digital landscape.

The judges seem to be wisely ruling on the Dish side.

[Corbomite]

If Fox or other networks are upset about it, the solution seems clear: Refuse to license your programming to Dish Network. There is no law forcing them to let Dish use their up-link. I have Direct TV and you can blaze through commercials at x4 speed. I haven't watched a commercial I haven't wanted to in years.