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Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« on: March 24, 2012, 06:35:24 pm »
I recently received up a cheap, quick laptop but it has a dualcore AMD processor I believe at 1300 cpu.  Is this just sucky, or is it equivalent to a single core cpu that's faster.  Reason I ask is my old laptop has an old Radeon 9000 series video card, but has a 2.2 ghz single core processor.  It also had around 2 gig of RAM (upgraded at shop).  This new one has 4 gig of RAM and a 6310 integrated, but what's checking me back is that it's cpu seems faster when I do things...BUT via the specs it sounds like it is slower?

It was a Toshiba that I just got as a thank you gift from someone...if it can run some of the modern games I think I'll keep it, but I'm not certain otherwise what to do with it.  Is it any good for modern gaming (even if I have to run the games on their minimums?)  The CPU seems the holding point.  The processor is an AMD E-300.
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 06:56:38 pm »
According to one source, thats on part with a Core 2 Duo laptop CPU. Not a beast, but enough. What are you worried about it being capable of?

These day, the GHz is not the only factor to determine the performance of a CPU, but just one part. The cpu speed of 4.0ghz was hit by a pentium 4 a long time ago, but it is way slower. The because CPUs today get their performance from other design aspects. So even a 4ghz cpu made in 2005 can be slower than a 2 ghz CPU made today.

Also, dual core CPUs really add to the performance of the computer. Its like having a team do a construction job instead of one guy. With just one guy if he gets swamped, the entire job slows down. With help, even if one guy is busy, the others can continue other work. So this makes the entire computer feel faster, in some cases. When one program is very busy, it will not slow down the entire PC as before.
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 09:48:51 am »
Thanks.

I was telling someone that I was pretty certain my current laptop which was not going to be able to run any of the more recent games.  I was talking about ME3 and Diablo 3.  So they got me this one and also ME3 as well as the promise to get me Diablo 3 when it comes out.

I tested ME3 and it actually runs, but looking at the Diablo 3 requirements and I'm not certain it will run it or not.

Ironically my old laptop had 2 gigs of RAM and his new one only has 4 (so I guess double the RAM, but not much, however when I look at the memory available it tells me it's actually at 3 something rather than 4.  I think that means I only have 3 RAM even though the box said 4?)

Then again, ME 2/3 run terribly on the old laptop (can we talk slideshow) while they seem to run decently at low to medium settings on the new one.

Don't quite understand why.  I guess what you say about the CPU's must be right, even if the older one is faster by what I saw in numbers.  Perhaps it's the video card or something.  9000s are old.
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 06:56:45 pm »
Quote from: Dash Jones on March 27, 2012, 09:48:51 am
Ironically my old laptop had 2 gigs of RAM and his new one only has 4 (so I guess double the RAM, but not much, however when I look at the memory available it tells me it's actually at 3 something rather than 4.  I think that means I only have 3 RAM even though the box said 4?)


32 bit Windows memory limit.  To use the whole 4 you need to go 64 bit.  You might find this old post interesting on that topic.
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 11:44:21 pm »
I think the new laptop has win 7 64 bit though?
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 04:40:07 am »
Quote from: Dash Jones on March 27, 2012, 11:44:21 pm
I think the new laptop has win 7 64 bit though?

I would expect that to use it all but I haven't played around with 64 bit software yet.  A post in Engineering might get a response from those with 64 bit experience.
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2012, 07:08:28 pm »
If your Using x64 Windows loaded stock on the laptop from the manufacturer, its more than likely the manufacturer properly setup the RAM for use in a 64 bit system. If its showing less than 4GB ram in the 'Computer Properties' on a stock system it is also more than likely that a small amount of RAM has been reserved in BIOS to the internal video card.

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In many desktops Video Card's have their own RAM, and the rest of the pc has its own RAM- two different physical parts inside. In a lot of smaller devices, weather laptops or tiny pcs where space is low, the video card does not have its own RAM, it shares the overall PC's RAM. So for instance, if you had 4GB and the BIOS was set to dedicate 256 MB to the video card, the video card properties would show 256 MB RAM, and the 'Computer Properties' would show 3840 MB (or something like that) for Windows.

This is normal is cases where the RAM is shared like that.In old laptops, it was set static at like 8 or 16 MB, which is not conducive for gaming. So its a feature meant to give people a small (tiny) boost in the laptops gaming ability. Some BIOS allow you to change the value, to add more or less ram to the Video Card, if say, you do a lot of gaming or not. For example 8, 16, 128, or 256, some even allow 512. Keep in mind though, if you allocate more to the Video Card, your taking ram away from the rest of the system and from Windows, and visa versa.
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2012, 09:33:01 pm »
Thanks, that sound about right.  It does have that odd amount of RAM there, with it over 3 Gb, but lower then the 4 Gb they mentioned.

Do you think this laptop would be able to run Diablo3?

It runs Mass Effect3, which surprised me, and runs it pretty decently, but no idea if it would run d3 at all.  I looked at the supported and non-supported cards but couldn't find any references to it.  This one has an integrated card in it, a AMD Radeon 6310 in it, so I'm not certain what it can do or not.  I was under the impression that it was junk overall, but it seems to run games that my 9800 could not. (Yes, I know it's old, but it worked so well for so long!!)
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2012, 10:08:53 pm »
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

I don't know. Laptops vary, technology changes frequently.

Best way is to just try it.
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Re: Laptop dual core 64 bit?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2012, 03:34:38 am »
Yup post above is a good bet on what gpu can run what. You can always overclock the hell out of it with atitool or rivatuner. Don't burn your nuts doing it :)

You're probably seeing 3.25gb available in windows especially if
you have the 32 bit version or more likely,.....

you have a 32 bit northbridge, which is soldered into the mobo and you can't fix.

Most AMD cpus Im pretty sure run 64 bit
With that note, at least the memory is running in ddr mode if you have 2x 2 gig sticks in.

All 'newer' laptops, like 2008 up usually have a 64 bit northbridge though.
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