Topic: Antares class from Bridge Commander

[Rod ONeal]

Have an older version of NifSkope that just imported NIF and exported .OBJ files, is this the one you meant?  Didn't appear to bring in material maps, just the mesh.

I suppose as long as mapping stays intact with materials, it doesn't matter too much what I use. 

Just tried the newer version, same difference.  Anything beside Milkshape import NIF's? 

The NIF will import to (G)Max and then I use the MOD exporter. It keeps the color maps intact. I haven't really tried to do a proper BC to SFC conversion. I never checked the model to see if it import/export light maps as well, but if not the light maps can be redone before export.

UU3D imports MOD, but doesn't export it. It's one of the few apps that will import/export C4D files though, which is what I use for modeling. It's a real nice, flexible, and intuitive UV program.

[atheorhaven]

Well, it's converted... just waiting for permission from the original author to release the port..

No word back yet, and had sent him a msg right after I downloaed it..

[Terradyhne]

I  know but was thinking for SFC thas a bit weighty and puts the mesh outside the range for Armada converson especially for cwhatwould be a suport unit

with some work this would be easy to get under the 10.000 polys. just get rid of those modeled phasermounts and nav-lights and add them to the texture and there are some features in the mesh, which you don't really see in SFC or A2 as you can't zoom close enough to see them. 

[atheorhaven]

Still waiting for release permissions..

[FoaS_XC]

Who was the original author?

[Kreeargh]

Oh come on guys cant this model be made in house? I am not the only modeler around here!?

[atheorhaven]

It can be made inhouse, but the request was for a port of the Bridge Commander model..

FoaS: Gmunroz is the original author. 

[FoaS_XC]

I seem to remember asking Gmunoz permission to convert, got it, but never followed through on my end. That is not grounds for you to release your model, sadly as (A) I'm not you, and (B) I can't verify what I seem to remember.

I will however, poke him again if he doesn't respond by, say, friday?

[atheorhaven]

I seem to remember asking Gmunoz permission to convert, got it, but never followed through on my end. That is not grounds for you to release your model, sadly as (A) I'm not you, and (B) I can't verify what I seem to remember.

I will however, poke him again if he doesn't respond by, say, friday?

Could you?  I sent him email directly, but I am beginning to think that he isn't checking that account frequently.

Also, if you do get in touch with him, could you ask him for permission to port his other work as well?  There's some pretty nice ships there, and the Antares is only one ship we don't have here.

Thanks! 

[Kreeargh]

It can be made inhouse, but the request was for a port of the Bridge Commander model..

FoaS: Gmunroz is the original author. 

Sorry but by my slim standards THis model was NOT made in house. NOT made by a SFC modeler. GLORY bc moder.
Yep some have a standard thought.

[atheorhaven]

Sorry but by my slim standards THis model was NOT made in house. NOT made by a SFC modeler. GLORY bc moder.
Yep some have a standard thought.

True, it wasn't made inhouse, and it was made for Bridge Commander.  However, there's a long line of porting to SFC as well.  Darkdrone and myself and others have converted a lot of ships from a lot of  games into SFC.

I personally think that this community could have easily made this model, after all Lord Schtupp was working on one.  But we don't have one that's been released yet (still don't).  So there's a space to be filled, and that's why Bernard made the request to port this over from BC.

Btw, this isn't the only ship that isn't in SFC, I can think of a few I'd like to see ingame as well (a Lexx, the Valley Forge from Silent Running, the Darkstar).. and we have a few where there's only one choice (this Antares will be an example of that until another is made).  The TARDIS was another example of that until I made one, we now have two.  This should be a case of where you start thinking "Can I make this?  Can I mod something into this?  Can I use this to make something else?"  That's how I do things.. I see something and it gives me ideas.  The Trek universe is an open door for ship ideas, what would a Klingon version of the Antares look like?  Or Romulan?

So look at this as a place to begin.. when this is released, we'll have an Antares.  What would its shuttles look like?  What would exist in a scene with it?  If this is basically a scout/recon/freighter style ship.. then what would it explore?  Do we have a decent comet for it to travel to?  We have asteroids and asteroid bases, but some of those bases are starting to look long in tooth.. see what I mean? 

[FoaS_XC]

I've sent GMunoz an Email vouching for your awesomeness and respectfulness. We'll see what he grants .

[FoaS_XC]

Just got a response from Mr Munoz,

By all means please proceed with the SFC convertion of the Antares. Also please inform your friends that they have permission also. Just let me know which ones they are doing.

It's all yours Alec

[atheorhaven]

Wonderful!  I guess I failed at email then..

What I'll do then is do up a credits sheet and forward it to you in PM, make an archive of the Antares and the Modviewer so he can check it, and if all is well, then we can release. 

[FoaS_XC]

Works for me
Btw I didn't actually email him - I sent him a PM at Bridge Commander Central so that may be a better bet.

[atheorhaven]

That involves going over to a Bridge Commander site, right?

I don't do that I'm afraid.. I see too much stuff I helped out with ported over without proper credits.  Just makes me annoyed..

Haven't gone to a Bridge Commander site (other than to download the Antares and look at his other ships) in probably about four years now for that reason.  Ever since the ship that had my wife's maiden name on it showed up without proper credits over at one, and the uploader refused to change credits.  After all the grief I got from it at the time, I turned my back on 'em.. and that takes a lot for me to do so.  If you see anything up of mine over there, there's a good possibility that it was ported without permission.  And more likely they claimed credit for all work as well.

When I actually see someone going through uploaded ships since 2004 and making sure that all the work is properly credited to the original authors on a port?  Then I might believe that those communities have grown up enough to be worth frequenting.  And.. if you can't reach an author of a ship via his published email, it's difficult to request permission a couple of years down the road to askto port it as well.

This is coming off as way more negative than intended, thanks for getting in contact with him and I'll have the port out within a couple of days.  (If you can get him to email me, I'll send him a link to review the ported ship and credits). 

[Centurus]

That sucks that happened to you too man.  Sorry to hear it.  I hope that never happens to me, but you never know, it might some day. 

[atheorhaven]

That sucks that happened to you too man.  Sorry to hear it.  I hope that never happens to me, but you never know, it might some day.

It's what happens with a bunch of people looking to build cred for themselves off others hard work.  Doesn't last for any length of time because if they can't steal more, then everyone soon knows that they must've done something to produce the first one.

Creates a vicious cycle.  That's why if I port something, I wait to release until I get the go ahead from the original author *and* make sure that all credits have at least the original credits modified to add my name to the credits as modified by or adapted during port to SFC format by or something similar.  Lets everyone know that I wasn't the original author, that guy was, there's his email, and all I did was port and maybe adapt illumination textures or what-have-you in order to make it look right ingame for us.  I also give the guy veto rights.  If he doesn't want it ingame as it sits, it doesn't go ingame.  It's ultimately his work, and if they don't want it in SFC, then its their call.

[Centurus]

That sucks that happened to you too man.  Sorry to hear it.  I hope that never happens to me, but you never know, it might some day.

It's what happens with a bunch of people looking to build cred for themselves off others hard work.  Doesn't last for any length of time because if they can't steal more, then everyone soon knows that they must've done something to produce the first one.

Creates a vicious cycle.  That's why if I port something, I wait to release until I get the go ahead from the original author *and* make sure that all credits have at least the original credits modified to add my name to the credits as modified by or adapted during port to SFC format by or something similar.  Lets everyone know that I wasn't the original author, that guy was, there's his email, and all I did was port and maybe adapt illumination textures or what-have-you in order to make it look right ingame for us.  I also give the guy veto rights.  If he doesn't want it ingame as it sits, it doesn't go ingame.  It's ultimately his work, and if they don't want it in SFC, then its their call.

I do the same thing.  I'm known for a ton of crazy and insane and utterly stupid sh*t, but I've never been known to steal anything someone else made.  I've done quite a few kitbashes in my time.  When I was making my ships from scratch, I used inspiration from other people's work when making my own.  But I never stole anyone's work.  That's one line I won't cross.

[atheorhaven]

Depending on how things go tonight..I'll try to post this on Battleclinic tonight.