Topic: -/\- Gentlemen, I give you , the Valiya Hamza.

[Sirgod]

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles/20110828/204974_gigantic-underground-river-hamza-valiya-hamza-amazon-3-700-miles-rio-hamza-rive.htm

Scientists have found a gigantic underground river flowing thousands of feet below the world's second longest river Amazon .

Researchers at the department of geophysics of the Brazil National Observatory have showed evidence of the existence of an underground river that flows 13,000 feet beneath the Amazon.

The body of the water has been named after Valiya Hamza, who led the research and found that the Amazon rainforest has two separate drainage systems: the surface drainage through the Amazon and the flow of groundwater through the deep sedimentary layers, the Hamza.

The width of the Hamza is said to be 6,000 kilometers long, flowing 13,000 feet below the Amazon. Both rivers flow from west to east. The Amazon ranges from 1 kilometer to 100 kilometers in width, while Hamza ranges from 200 kilometers to 400 kilometers, however the Hamza flows at only a fraction of the speed of Amazon.

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Stephen

[stoneyface]

wow!!!!

[Brush Wolf]

Stoney said it all, WOW!

[knightstorm]

You know, this article makes me think of Journey to the Center of the Earth.

[Sirgod]

It does me also man. I have a buddy who works on the AI for submersibles via the Navy , and he went ape when I shared this with him.  never seen him get that excited over anything before.

Stephen

[Captain Adam]

Also makes you wonder; we are so eager to explore space but we've barely scratched home, amazing find.... Thx 4 sharing...

Adam

[Brush Wolf]

Also makes you wonder; we are so eager to explore space but we've barely scratched home, amazing find.... Thx 4 sharing...

Adam

I think the key word here is explore. We need to go both ways.

[knightstorm]

Bonk I'm assuming this is you.  Look whether you admit it or not, your position on that issue was extreme.  I merely meant to register my position, which I admit is also extreme and move on.  We could have agreed to disagree and ended it there.  You were the one who kept with the name calling, and eventually slander.  I have tried to keep my tone respectful no matter how tempted I was to do otherwise.  That said, I had not desire to fight with you then, and I still don't now, so can't we just call a truce and agree to forget this incident ever happened?

Moderator note here: Edited out Bonks quote. Please report any future problems by using the report to moderator button at the bottom.

[knightstorm]

First off, I don't buy your statisistics.

Second, you're also carrying my viewpoints on drug dealers to their maximum extreme, assuming 100% arrest, and 100% conviction, and ignoring the need for things like evidence, trial by jury, and proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.  So even if the statistics were what you claimed, the actual numbers executed would be only a tiny fraction.

Third, You were the one advocated violent insurrection against his own government earlier on that thread, so get off your high horse you %^&%&ing hypocrite.

[Tus-XC]

wtf?

[762_XC]

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[Sirgod]

Sorry guys. We are working on resolving an issue with a banned member of our boards. Please bear with us while we get it sorted out.

Banned members comments removed from this post.

Stephen

[Sirgod]

I wanted to clear something up also, about Banning members. Moderators have never been able to directly ban anyone, only the admins can. the typical process , unless it is something horrible like child porn, has been to bring it up to the mods, offer any input, and then the Admins make the final choice.

Discussing things of a legal nature, is not only not against the rules here, but at times encouraged, provided that people obey the rules. While not the focus of our boards naturally, Topics like this have a proud tradition of taking place , from the original Interplay boards, the Taldren Boards, and now this place.

As to knightstorm, there has been no evidence he has broke any rules, and has in fact handled himself with the best of care, against a slew of insults, Straw mans, and flat out miss-perceptions.

It goes beyond saying, that Dynaverse is a huge gathering of many view points, and that in fact issues do get heated. But there has always been respect for each other. One can debate , without the need for name calling , or insults direct or otherwise.  Like wise, It goes without saying, as a company, we have never supported Genocide, or breaking the law of any kind. 

If anyone sees another new name show up, that is causing stress, Or any post that is questionable,please remember to hit the report to moderator button.

Stephen

[FA Frey XC]

Bonk, I had hoped to spare you this embarrassment, but you continue to act as you are.  Very well. I have said it before, and I will say it again, NO ONE is above the "Law" in these forums - Admins / moderators / users alike.  We are all equal on these forums, and as such I hold my moderators and Admins to a higher standard.

As you very well know, you have been banned from D.Net for your continued refusal to comply with the decision of the Moderators on this forum. Whether this ban becomes permanent remains in your hands.

I feel the reason is compelling in it's telling, as it's applicable to your current behavior.

1.) Abuse of the moderators powers in banning someone who had no previous ban before them, and ignoring COMPLETELY the rules and regulations set forth that YOU AGREED BY when you were welcomed back after your last implosion.

2.) Personal attacks, defaming, and otherwise insulting directly a member of this forum in good standing.

You were informed of this ban, and the content in question was removed from public view. You then chose to circumnavigate the ban and register another user account, then highjacked a thread that was completely unrelated to the one in which you were banned, save that another user had posted there that had posted in the thread you got your ban for.

Obviously, this was..

3.) Baiting, and trolling

AND

4.) Purposefully circumnavigating a ban for the express purpose of posting when you were not allowed to post.

The very FACT that you CONTINUE to circumnavigate this ban (which was initially a 5 day ban per our decision as you outright cussed someone out on the public forums) and post this type of stuff is further evidence of your instability and mental state.

Here are the facts:

D.Net and it's team will never, would never, and could never, support anything that has to do with murding millions, or just murdering one person. When someone posts on these forums, it's THEIR opinion, and Dynaverse.Net (nor any of it's affiliates) doesn't imply supporting these ideals simply because we exercise limited free speech in our forums to encourage good discussions and allow them to remain.

We have numerous forums designed for just that - open discussions in a mature and non-biased manner - yet all would do well to remember that this ISN'T a place were free space reigns supreme. You, *points to himself, too*, you and you ... all of us agreed to these terms when we joined - that this was a private forum and ultimately we reserved the right to determine the content was inline with the purpose of the site. We've allowed our community to grow beyond the initial constraints and beyond them, becoming what I think Gene would have loved to see ... peoples of all nationalities coming together to work on something they love.

What you are doing Bonk (SomeDude, NOABUSE) - you are trying to start a crusade to fight the "obvious" CORRUPTNESS in the POLICE WORLDWIDE, starting in Canada. You are proposing legislation (forgive if that's not the right word in Cananda, eh? ) that would establish a "FAIR PRACTICES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES"...

yet you cannot follow the rules of this forum (which you helped create, btw  ).

TBH,  you've done everything you could do to burn each and every bridge you said you worked so hard on re-building... and we've been through this before, haven't we? In truth, we've been through it several times. Everyone saw it coming, hoped it wouldn't, but it did.

Now your trying to login to the servers and delete the work you did for the community. Your trying to gain access to continue your personal crusade that now directed at D.Net because we .. we what?

What did we do, Bonk ? Support you? Provide you with the resources you requested and support to see if you'd actually deliver this time on the promises you've made previously, on numerous occassions?

It's quite a shame really, but if you look back on the history - each time "everything was fixed" or about to be you implode and seem to loose touch with reality. I'm starting to doubt anything was fixed by you at all, or wondering atleast. 

The wonderful thing is, your just one person Bonk. We've done fine the last three times you lost your mind for one reason or another, and we'll do fine this time.

Just keep posting, keep creating new accounts, keep proving what I'm saying is TRUE.

I'm sure that will swing even more people over to your side for your big march. 

Regards,

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Bonk, please calm down, your only embarrassing yourself resorting to silly hack tactics to get around the ban. We wish you the best on the march but we cant let you keep posting while your this mad and resorting to breaking the rules.

[George65w]

I knew you guys would do this. So predictable. You have to call me insane because you cannot defeat my logical arguments.

It is not hacking. get a clue.

You banned me, so multiple accounts is how I can have my say. Keep deleting it to cover you ass. I know you will.

You call me insane. How do you expect me to react. I am 100% sane. I am 100% right.

You seem to think it is OK for users here to post: "anyone who has smoked dope is a child killer and should be exterminated". By allowing such users to continue to post, that is implicit support of their statement. Ask all the important members what they think of you allowing that here. I guarantee no one will like it.

Comply with your conditions? You are calling me insane, breaking your own rules.  Better ban yourself.

Keep calling me insane, that is not going to help your position. Nor is it going to make me like you, that is why I told you off and I'd do it again.

The last sentence of my last email to you still applies. I won't repeat it here, but I'm sure everyone will have a pretty good idea of what I told you to do.

knightstorm was completely disrespectful and broke the rules.

I did follow the rules. My argument could not be defeated and you capitulated to the nazi membership here.

I will stand up for your rights even if you do not have the guts to.

I don't care what you do now that I am gone, but I will keep calling you out for supporting a Nazi extermination programme.

It is stll clear that you have not actually read and comprehended the original thread. Go read it again.

Oh now you claim I did not fix SFC... predictable. Who did it then? Go check the subversion log. Go read the code. Ask Strat. Clearly you have done none of this. You are simply making such an assertion so that you can then release the work and claim someone else did it.

Like I said, I am done taking sh*t off people and that includes you.

I will keep doing this. ban knightstorm or live with me pointing it out at regular intervals.

Oh, last time I left was becasue you put Braxton (a completely incompetent fraud) in charge of the SFC code, then he announces it as SFC4 (a horrific mistake in itself) and then proceeds to try and build it under a compiler that simply would not work. I knew it then and I jsut demonstrated it recently. I am right.

Keep the spin coming, maybe you'll begin to believe your own lies eventually, and then you'll feel better.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

It is not hacking. get a clue.

You call me insane. How do you expect me to react. I am 100% sane. I am 100% right.

Code: [Select]

hacking a present participle of hack (Verb)

2. Use a computer to gain unauthorized access to data in a system
You were banned from posting, you are therefore unauthorized to access this data on this forum or post data, therefore hack.


It's a shame but its over Bonk, get off the forums, and best on your march.

[Fedman NCC-3758]

wow!!!!

Indeed.

[stoneyface]

bonk. calm down and take a breath. please? pretty please?

i am very sad to see my forum, which i have dedicated over 4 years to with stories of science and space to motivate and inform, completely and utter hijacked to spout off in anger over something completely unrelated to the post.

bonk, i have considered you a friend for a long time, but these posts are not helping you "win" your argument and are doing more harm than good to your reputation.

everyone here is held responsible for their actions. moderators included. by continuing to post these comments under different names, you are just causing an escalation to the issue, not diffusing the situation. so, of course we are going to ban you. that is policy. it isn't a great prediction of behavior you think it is, it is simply the logical progression of discipline outlined in our guidelines.

i am sorry you had such a complete and utter clusterfrak on your property. you seem very focused on doing something about it. while i find that admirable on a certain level, you are wasting that energy in a futile action to somehow "prove you are right".
why? i don't see the point. i think you should go spend the energy you would be wasting here, on your own campaign against the corrupt police force in your area/province/country, and stop this pointless and silly flagrant violation of forum rules. there is not going to be anything but a very negative outcome if you continue down this road.

bonk i know you as a very intelligent person. use that intelligence i know you have, and realize that this is not the best use of your time and then refocus your energy to a more positive course of action. step back a moment and look at your actions for the last few days, it just takes a moment to stop the momentum and refocus, then start down a different path. please stop posting all over these forums and causing pointless uproar. i want my forum back. please, i beg you as a friend and fellow psychonaut. this behavior is not good for you or anyone involved. it makes me very sad to have to post something like this in my own forum...

peace to all,
hawkeye

[George65w]

That's how you do it Frey, take a lesson from Stoney here.

Call a sane and intelligent man insane and a liar and you will piss him off good Frey. Simple as that.

I am done forever here this time. I will never be coming back. Never. What Frey has said to me is unforgivable. (plus all these insinuations and lies... what a ...) So sorry stoney, it is far too late for a positive outcome. It was instantly negative the moment Frey called me insane and accused me of lying. (in a private email - I have decided this needs to be public) You just can't take that back. And again, every other time I left was for damn good and sane reason. Just because I justifiably get angry does not make me insane, it makes me human.

SFHQ, it is authorised access, you'd have to ban every single IP address in the world and all email domains to make it unauthorised. I will not hack you, it would be too easy with the inside knowledge I have, and illegal. What I am doing is not hacking.

P.S. Stephen, this is pure bull:

As to knightstorm, there has been no evidence he has broke any rules, and has in fact handled himself with the best of care, against a slew of insults, Straw mans, and flat out miss-perceptions.

Go read the thread if Frey has not hidden it from you (which he probably has), then tell me again how I insulted him (I insulted his argements very clearly and correctly - not him).

He said plain as day: all dope smokers are child killers and should be exterminated. Tell me how that is acceptable? Go read it again. Read it 400 times if you have to. That is exactly what he said. No straw mans, no misinterpretations. Quit with the damage control spin. It is plainly obvious.

At this point this has nothing to do with my march. Nothing. This is a completely separate issue, and even as such does nothing to discredit my morally unassailable position. I am right. Period.

Though I'm sure you will all trump up more BS accusations and insults against me to make yourselves feel better about what you have done. It won't work. You know you are wrong and that is exactly why you are responding in this way. Anyone can see it for what it is.

You were informed of this ban, and the content in question was removed from public view. You then chose to circumnavigate the ban and register another user account, then highjacked a thread that was completely unrelated to the one in which you were banned, save that another user had posted there that had posted in the thread you got your ban for.

I was not informed of the ban or warned in any way, I logged in and found myself unable to post. Now I am calling you out on your attacks against me and you don't like it do you? Too effing bad.