Topic: What is the kobyashimaru to you ?

[Kreeargh]

What is the kobyashimaru to you ?

[FoaS_XC]

stock SFC freighter with tanks instead of cargo pods.

[Kreeargh]

I see it as a thought trying to fix the past mistakes. No end being  a true Trek idea but thats me.

[FoaS_XC]

oh, conceptually? like as a metaphor?

The obligatory one is "no win scenario", but if I were to think for more than 10 seconds on it I'd say it would be a "Mistake you could never fully erase. One that you've learned from, to be sure, but one that still pangs at you by way of embarrassment whenever you think of it. As if to say 'Oh, man, was I foolish that day' ". make sense?

Then again - could be the fact that it's 1am here ><

[atheorhaven]

I see it as an example ship of a class of freighters.  Something older as most freighters are older ships, so in TMP times, I'd see the average ship of the class being a pre to TOS era freighter.  Lost Era stuff would start to move into TMP age, TNG would firmly be at least Picard's Stargazer days.  Post Voyager, you'd be seeing early TNG era.  My belief anyways.. freighters should always be older than the base level ships of Starfleet by at least 20-30 years.  And any cadet test should reflect the ships of the era of the time..

[762_XC]

3rd class neutronic fuel carrier. Dimensions 237m x 111m x 70m.  147,943 MT tonnage (that's about 3/4 of a Constitution class). Cargo capacity 97,000 MT. Cruise speed WF3, max speed WF6.

Basically, a clunky, medium sized freighter. Certainly TMP era as it was conceptualized then.

[Norsehound]

A freighter of the period, as the scenario would continually update in order to be believable for cadets. Perhaps it might lag a generation or two behind to show it is outdated, slow, and incapable of escaping its pursuers and needing attention and defense from the starship it is baiting.

Great Kudos, however, go to the JJ Abrams team that decided to run with the imagry of the Maru that has been established in some of the older books. I thought the Lotus Flower was an interesting version, but I really didn't have a solid image for the Kobyashi Maru. The Abrams version fits just as well as anything (with the enormous exception of the SFB freighters however, which I feel are unimaginative and simple).

[Starfox1701]

How we face Death is at least as important as how we face life don't you think?

[marstone]

How we face Death is at least as important as how we face life don't you think?

Many times how we face death is more important then how we face life.  Bravery is not the absence of fear, but channeling fear to a strength.

[Centurus]

Marriage.

[Bonk]

Many times how we face death is more important then how we face life.

OK, Yoda. Deep thoughts, you have posted. Less Yoda-like and better written, is the second sentence.

Bravery is not the absence of fear, but channeling fear to a strength.

Allow me:
Bravery, the absence of fear is not, but to a strength, channeling fear.

Fixed that for you, I did.  Sorry, couldn't help it. But seriously, the second bit hits home on big issues in life and well said.

Oh, and what is the kobyashimaru to me? A dumb name for a ship, mostly.

[Terradyhne]

for me is the Kobayashimaru a supply ship far to much away of safe spaceroutes

[intermech]

No-win scenario. Trek fans should use the term more frequently in daily language to describe impossibility. Maybe it will catch on.

[FoaS_XC]

Marriage.

Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togever tuday.....

[Antivyrus]

No-win scenario. Trek fans should use the term more frequently in daily language to describe impossibility. Maybe it will catch on.

ahh but its only a no-win IF you don't know how to reprogram the computer

[KBF-Kurok]

Its only a no win if your the Fed.........

[Centurus]

Marriage.

Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togever tuday.....

Think about it.  For men, marriage is the ultimate Kobayashi Maru scenario.  Once you say I Do, so many things you don't, and, you'll never win an argument ever again.  Also, that which God gave you, is no longer yours.  If you divorce, your first wife takes it and keeps it, and you're given a 3rd market replacement, which doesn't work anywhere near as good as yours used to.  Also, during the marriage, any money she makes is hers.  Any money you make, is hers.

No win scenario.  *takes a bow*

[Kreeargh]

No-win scenario. Trek fans should use the term more frequently in daily language to describe impossibility. Maybe it will catch on.

   Totaly agree.

[Starfox1701]

I d0; you mean you guys don't? Hell Bones even give as great example in VI

[Kreeargh]

Marriage.

Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togever tuday.....

Think about it.  For men, marriage is the ultimate Kobayashi Maru scenario.  Once you say I Do, so many things you don't, and, you'll never win an argument ever again.  Also, that which God gave you, is no longer yours.  If you divorce, your first wife takes it and keeps it, and you're given a 3rd market replacement, which doesn't work anywhere near as good as yours used to.  Also, during the marriage, any money she makes is hers.  Any money you make, is hers.

No win scenario.  *takes a bow*

That all is about LAWS - rights some get.  This no end idea is about death who dies and how so a REAL issue.  Marriage is a rule and that 2 binds their whatnot, but is not of this theme.