Topic: Sci FI Poll 18: The force is already telling me the winner. (Read 7803 times)

Sirgod · « **on:** June 12, 2011, 08:59:12 am »

Star Wars E4 A New Hope (1977) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/

vs

Star Wars E1 The Phantom Menace (1999) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120915/

First of the Star Wars polls Gentlemen.

Stephen

marstone · « **Reply #1 on:** June 12, 2011, 09:13:54 am »

now to see if old campy style beats over new sappy style or vice versa. As unlike the Star Trek movies, these had one guiding hand, but alot of time and changes in that one mind.

Grand Master of Shadows NCC37385 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 12, 2011, 09:28:39 am »

I didnt like the new ones...or even the "re-do" of the old one. The one that showed Jabba slithering along.

Sirgod · « **Reply #3 on:** June 12, 2011, 09:49:02 am »

I'm with Shadow. The original three where the best. And Damn IT HAN SHOT FIRST!

Stephen

762_XC · « **Reply #4 on:** June 12, 2011, 10:33:49 am »

Easiest one yet.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #5 on:** June 12, 2011, 11:08:30 am »

a little bit harder than i thought it'd be, actually.
Your basically asking me to compare the best of the prequel to the worst of the originals.

I actually didn't like A New Hope all that much. I felt it was an archtpyical adventure story, complete with the herald, the dragon, and the lost sage forcing the hero to come into his own. Cliche.

That being said, I still picked A New Hope over Phantom Menace ><

762_XC · « **Reply #6 on:** June 12, 2011, 11:19:09 am »

You really thought Phantom Menace was better than Revenge of the Sith? Aside from Darth Maul and probably the best lightsaber sequence in any of the films, I can't think of a single thing it has going for it.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #7 on:** June 12, 2011, 11:19:47 am »

Quote from: FoaS_XC on June 12, 2011, 11:08:30 am

That being said, I still picked A New Hope over Phantom Menace ><

knightstorm · « **Reply #8 on:** June 12, 2011, 12:23:24 pm »

Quote from: 762_XC on June 12, 2011, 11:19:09 am

Aside from Darth Maul and probably the best lightsaber sequence in any of the films, I can't think of a single thing it has going for it.

Jar Jar Binks.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #9 on:** June 12, 2011, 01:10:34 pm »

Meessa thinkin da a new hope is da most bombad movie of da two.

762_XC · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2011, 01:18:34 pm »

...that's a bannable offense.

Nemesis · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2011, 07:36:31 pm »

Not that it is actually SciFi (Fantasy Adventure in SciFi setting -Obi Wan is even called a Wizard) but A new hope is the more enjoyable movie.

EschelonOfJudgemnt · « **Reply #12 on:** June 13, 2011, 12:42:56 am »

Quote

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

That's no moon. It's a space station.

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought.

Who is the more foolish, the fool or the fool that follows him.

You can't win, but there are alternatives to fighting.

Despite the fact I really liked Qui Gon Jinn, this one was a no brainer, and besides, they killed Qui Gon off...

TAnimaL · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2011, 08:28:13 am »

I'm not sure what's more surprising, the fact that SW1 got two votes or SW4 being called the worst of that trilogy. I mean, srsly???

This community is always full of surprises, I'll give it that.

Lono · « **Reply #14 on:** June 13, 2011, 04:38:41 pm »

Had to vote for the one I knew - A New Hope!

Never heard of that other one - was it a straight to DVD release?

Sirgod · « **Reply #15 on:** June 13, 2011, 06:32:53 pm »

LOL, I <3 Lono.

the other one was in theaters bro. It along with the other two just sucked.

Stephen

knightstorm · « **Reply #16 on:** June 13, 2011, 08:55:16 pm »

The problem with the prequel trilogy was that Lucas started believing his own BS. The original trilogy was pure escapism. Unfortunately, after he made the films, he got the idea to try to hype them up as being derived from some sort of larger social archetype. At some point he started believing his claims, so when he made the prequel trilogy, he tried to make some sort of socially relevant higher art, and ended up falling flat on his face.

Brush Wolf · « **Reply #17 on:** June 14, 2011, 05:28:28 am »

Quote from: knightstorm on June 13, 2011, 08:55:16 pm

The problem with the prequel trilogy was that Lucas started believing his own BS. The original trilogy was pure escapism. Unfortunately, after he made the films, he got the idea to try to hype them up as being derived from some sort of larger social archetype. At some point he started believing his claims, so when he made the prequel trilogy, he tried to make some sort of socially relevant higher art, and ended up falling flat on his face.

the prequels really felt like he was using special effects just for the wow factor instead of following his own rule that they were to help tell a story.

762_XC · « **Reply #18 on:** June 14, 2011, 10:02:01 am »

There was nothing wrong with the story. He shot himself in the ass with three things mainly:

1) His own soap-opera style writing
2) Hayden Christiansen
3) Jar Jar

EschelonOfJudgemnt · « **Reply #19 on:** June 14, 2011, 02:40:24 pm »

One other point about the 1977 Star Wars movie, before Lucas 'updated' it... (Yes, dammit, Han shot first!).

Star Wars hit the theaters in limited release on May 25th, 1977. Wide release didn't occur until July 15th, 1977, partially because Fox wasn't quite ready for how well received the movie was.

Star Wars cost $11 Million dollars to make (in 1977 dollars that was A LOT). Since that time, it has grossed $775,398,007. Not bad for a movie made in 1977...

Here are the numbers for how much money it took in in 1977:
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=starwars4.htm

When it first came out, 20th Century Fox was taking a gamble of sorts. NO movie like this had been done (this being the era of police/car chase movies and such). 2001, Silent Running, etc. were all fairly grounded in science, whereas Science Fantasy was a new thing to many audience members (Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers aside).

Add the budget that was spent on Star Wars (which was a lot of money at that time), and the fact that it could have very easily went the other way (flop/mediocre), and you can see why it being successful was such a big deal.

Note that Logan's Run was released almost a year earlier (June 23rd, 1976). It cost around $9 Million to make, and only grossed around $25 Million, with another $9.5 Million being made in Rentals. This gives you some perspective as to how Star Wars MIGHT have fared...

As a young moviegoer, I had NEVER seen anything like this in the theaters. Star Trek - The Motion Picture was still 2 years away. Battlestar Galactica didn't come out until July 7th 1978. Star Wars broke a LOT of new ground, in the special effects department as well as for the Genre in general.

Sure, there was a lot of 'B' movie quality sci fi that had been around since the Flash Gordon days, but this was simply on a whole new level. Plus, it had some great acting talent that simply gelled well together, even if we didn't know who the heck played Darth Vader (James Earl Jones did the voice, of course) until much later...

Heck, putting your main villian in a full suit, behind a rigid face mask was itself a risk of sorts...

Star Wars was a big deal when it hit the screens. In comparison, Episode I was simply a continuation of an already successful franchise. Sure, the special effects were cool, but that ground had been broken a long time ago.

For you younger types who didn't get to see Star Wars in 70 MM in 1977, well you missed out. Of course, home computers were not quite a reality yet in 1977 either, you kids are so spoiled!

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