Topic: Klingon Bird of Prey bridge between STIII-IV?

[Moorkey]

Is there a canon reason for the change of bridge between STIII (the mainly white Romulan-esque one) and STIV (the more Klingon looking one)? I can't imagine the Vulcans had a spare bridge module just lying around.

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

I was curious about this too and looked around a little. Here was one person's idea:

Kruge's bridge in ST3 was vastly different from the bridge in ST4, yet there's no indication (other than what we see) of a major modification being performed between the movies. It might be assumed, then, that Kruge commanded from some sort of a "battle bridge" within the aft hull, perhaps a command center usually dedicated to controlling the ground combat operations the ship would have been specializing in. I vaguely remember the old SciPubTech poster indeed showing a separate bridge like this within the forward half-dome of the aft hull. Perhaps it would be a good idea to do the same here, too?

It's a neat idea, but I think it's unrealistic just because of the small size of the ship. The only other thing I saw on Memory Alpha was the thought that it was altered on Vulcan, so I guess that's the best we have.

[Lieutenant_Q]

Easiest explanation is that since all the consoles and controls were in Klingonese they needed to be replaced with consoles written in Federation Standard.

I do think though, that they should have found a way to keep the "throne" in the center for ST IV.  Kirk perched high above everyone else would have been great to see.

[Nemesis]

The Klingons being more technologically advanced than the Federation were using a prototype Holodeck bridge.  Scotty was unable to keep it operating so it defaulted to "standard mode".  You can't expect an aging eco-terrorist like Scotty to understand and properly operate advanced Klingon technology without Spocks aid, he is merely human after all.

[Kreeargh]

I think it was scale the BOP is to have 2 or 3 sizes. The final version killed off the 1701D , My guess it was just that a scale up version.
Real reason is $ the lack of.

[Sirgod]

I believe Scotty touched on this.  The Klingon Food packs gave the crew hallucinations.

Stephen

[Nemesis]

I believe Scotty touched on this.  The Klingon Food packs gave the crew hallucinations.

Stephen

Humans just are not as evolved as Klingons and are thereby more limited.

[Age]

Is there a canon reason for the change of bridge between STIII (the mainly white Romulan-esque one) and STIV (the more Klingon looking one)? I can't imagine the Vulcans had a spare bridge module just lying around.

I believe the one you are referring to is the B'rel class that was seen in ST 6 and Generations actually the explosion is the same cut from ST6 used in Generations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5NLM9O8Bxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lffpFXieo0Y

[Kreeargh]

Is there a canon reason for the change of bridge between STIII (the mainly white Romulan-esque one) and STIV (the more Klingon looking one)? I can't imagine the Vulcans had a spare bridge module just lying around.

The Klingon B.o.p is a Romulan design .  The Klingons did some trade for the ships and coaking i am guessing. Had to be some trade. Klingon d7 used by Romulans in tos era.

[Age]

Is there a canon reason for the change of bridge between STIII (the mainly white Romulan-esque one) and STIV (the more Klingon looking one)? I can't imagine the Vulcans had a spare bridge module just lying around.

The Klingon B.o.p is a Romulan design .  The Klingons did some trade for the ships and coaking i am guessing. Had to be some trade. Klingon d7 used by Romulans in tos era.

Romulan Ships were never gray though only in the 24thC.Klingon ships were however.

[Nemesis]

Romulan Ships were never gray though only in the 24thC.Klingon ships were however.

When a nation buys a ship from another don't they normally paint it in their own colours?  Why would the Klingons be any different?

[Age]

Romulan Ships were never gray though only in the 24thC.Klingon ships were however.

When a nation buys a ship from another don't they normally paint it in their own colours?  Why would the Klingons be any different?

I still say that is Klingon looking ship as for the long neck and main body close to the rear engines not Romulan design.

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

I just thought of something. If the BOP from STIII was originally meant to be a Romulan ship (and I don't think that was ever changed, just left out of the script), what would its contemporaries in the rest of the Romulan fleet look like? The closest thing I can imagine are things like FASA's Winged Defender.

[Lieutenant_Q]

Here's a question.  When was the model built, in relation to the script?  Was the model built before the script was changed to be Klingon?  It's easy to believe that the set may have been built before the script was changed and it was too late to modify the set, but the VFX work is usually done well after the live action scenes are filmed.  The model itself may be a Klingon Model, just the set is a Romulan Bridge.

[marstone]

From my understanding, the VFX work was well underway in post when the script was leaked.  So they reshot the inside scenes, but would have been to costly to redo the VFX work at that time, so the Romulan ship remained.  Again, from what I had heard, can't confirm.

[Starfox1701]

Early drafts of the script had the klingon captain stealing a romulan ship for his mission. Later versions changed it to a klingon ship but retained the BoP name I think mainly because Lenard Nimoy liked the concept of a predatory looking warship. He did approve the design. The ship was definitly Klingon by the time shooting started.

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

Here's a question.  When was the model built, in relation to the script?  Was the model built before the script was changed to be Klingon?  It's easy to believe that the set may have been built before the script was changed and it was too late to modify the set, but the VFX work is usually done well after the live action scenes are filmed.  The model itself may be a Klingon Model, just the set is a Romulan Bridge.

I think of it as a Romulan model, but I also don't have anything to confirm it. I remember a pretty long article in one of those Star Trek Magazine issues, so I'll try digging that up and see if it says anything about the model/script relationship.

Just looking at some FASA Romulans (I'm clueless about FASA, but some of the ships have nice designs), it seems like the later FASA designs got inspiration from the "Romulan" Bird of Prey in ST3,  the Whitewind cruiser (http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/cruiser_v7.jpg), which I can really imagine as a contemporary to the ST3 BOP, if only we saw more of the Romulans in the TOS movies.

[Age]

This looks like a Klingon Ship as to the the look of this bridge.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=3569148

http://img385.imageshack.us/i/bird08wu5.jpg/

[Nemesis]

I tend to lean towards it being Romulan for several reasons.  First the cloak up to then a purely Romulan device.  Second the "Bird of Prey" name is a good match for existing (at that time) Romulan ship descriptions but not Klingon.  Third if the ship were destroyed the wreckage causing Federation - Romulan trouble rather than for the Empire and it was operating in violation of multiple treaties.

Options:

1/ Romulan construction in Klingon hands.  Design in part derived from the Klingon ships previously bought.

2/ Romulan construction in Klingon hands.  Design is Klingon but modified by the Romulans.  The Romulan don't have the raw material issues that the Klingon Empire does and might have enhancements that use raw materials that are rare in the Klingon Empire.  (See Kor explaining to Kirk in Errand of Mercy why the Empire has to expand).

3/ Klingon built to Romulan design.  Goes against the history to that point of the Romulans lagging technologically.

4/ Klingon Hull modified with Romulan tech.  (F5 with cloak acquired from the Romulans.

5/ Totally Klingon with their own cloak.  Possible that the original "Romulan" cloak was the first tech exchange between the two empires and was intended to cause the Federation to have a protracted war with the Romulans leaving the Klingons to then come in and pick up all the pieces when both sides were exhausted.

[Age]

I don't think we will ever get an answer to this aswell as many Star Trek related questions.Tis unless they made another movie with the orignal crew and possibly TNG.