Topic: Just watching The Corbomite Maneuver

[Nemesis]

I never noticed before but Uhura is in command gold not engineering red.

[Sirgod]

That's the Canadian version.

Stephen

[Nemesis]

   Thats right I forgot the American version in the 1960s couldn't give a black woman command rank.  I guess I'll never win in Trek Trivial Pursuit. 

In Balance of Terror she is in Red.

One of the conflicts with Enterprise is it is specified that in the Earth - Romulan war there was no ship to ship visual communication and the weapons allowed for no captives.

[knightstorm]

One of the conflicts with Enterprise is it is specified that in the Earth - Romulan war there was no ship to ship visual communication and the weapons allowed for no captives.

At what point during Enterprise did they have ship to ship visual communication with the Romulans?  I don't remember the line about no captives, but If I remember correctly, Romulan policy was self destruct rather than surrender.

[Lieutenant_Q]

In Enterprise the Romulans knew they were descended from Vulcans.  Logical, to remember your ancestry.  And the Romulans had designs on Vulcan, had they let Earth know the Romulans were off-shoots, who knows how Earth may have reacted.  The only thing Enterprise screwed up with the Romulans was the cloaking device.

[Nemesis]

One of the conflicts with Enterprise is it is specified that in the Earth - Romulan war there was no ship to ship visual communication and the weapons allowed for no captives.

At what point during Enterprise did they have ship to ship visual communication with the Romulans?  I don't remember the line about no captives, but If I remember correctly, Romulan policy was self destruct rather than surrender.

Balance of Terror stated that ship to ship visual communication did not exist at all not just between Earth and the Romulans.  Such visual communications did exist even if the Romulans never transmitted them to Earth vessels according to Enterprise.

[Dash Jones]

Wait a second, there are two versions of Star Trek?  A canadian and USA version?  Are you pulling my leg...or is that for real?

[knightstorm]

Wait a second, there are two versions of Star Trek?  A canadian and USA version?  Are you pulling my leg...or is that for real?

Here's the opening segment for the Canadian version
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOnQROgk1IM[/youtube]

[Nemesis]

Wait a second, there are two versions of Star Trek?  A canadian and USA version?  Are you pulling my leg...or is that for real?

Would Stephen lie to you?

[Dash Jones]

okaaaay.

[Villa64]

One of the conflicts with Enterprise is it is specified that in the Earth - Romulan war there was no ship to ship visual communication and the weapons allowed for no captives.

At what point during Enterprise did they have ship to ship visual communication with the Romulans?  I don't remember the line about no captives, but If I remember correctly, Romulan policy was self destruct rather than surrender.

Balance of Terror stated that ship to ship visual communication did not exist at all not just between Earth and the Romulans.  Such visual communications did exist even if the Romulans never transmitted them to Earth vessels according to Enterprise.

No human, romulan, or ally....ever saw the other.

could human allies see humans in Enterprise?

[Nemesis]

okaaaay.

Is that a yes or no?

[Nemesis]

could human allies see humans in Enterprise?

Off the top of my head I believe that Shran of the Andorians was seen on screen.  I think also the Vulcans and maybe Klingons. I'll put it on my list of things to check.

Just a quick check.  Episode 3 Fight or Flight where they encounter a ship where the aliens are dead and being drained of chemicals the rescue ship has screen to screen visual with Enterprise.

Episode 5 Unexpected.  Where the cloaked ship is riding in the wake of the Enterprise and Trip gets pregnant.  Screen to Screen with the Klingons. 

[Nemesis]

The only thing Enterprise screwed up with the Romulans was the cloaking device.

Balance of Terror - The Bird or Prey had "simple impulse power"

In Enterprise the episodes with the shapeshifting ship had Warp 5 ability.  It could tune its weapons to appear to be Tellarite and Andorians for sure and probably others.  It was able to destroy an Andorian ship with one attack with weapons that being tuned to appear Tellarite were probably working below par.  Technologically they should have defeated Earth.

The 2nd last episode takes place several years before the Earth Romulan war.  The last episode immediately after it but the war is never mentioned even though it should have been a primary impetus to the alliance forming at the end of the episode.

[Lieutenant_Q]

power is different than drive.  Just because you have a Warp Drive, doesn't mean the ship is powered by it.  In Enterprise almost everything was tied into the Impulse Engines.  Which would have made the ship an Impulse Powered Ship.

[knightstorm]

could human allies see humans in Enterprise?

Off the top of my head I believe that Shran of the Andorians was seen on screen.  I think also the Vulcans and maybe Klingons. I'll put it on my list of things to check.

Just a quick check.  Episode 3 Fight or Flight where they encounter a ship where the aliens are dead and being drained of chemicals the rescue ship has screen to screen visual with Enterprise.

Episode 5 Unexpected.  Where the cloaked ship is riding in the wake of the Enterprise and Trip gets pregnant.  Screen to Screen with the Klingons.

I'm not convinced that the dialogue in balance of terror ruled out earth having visual communication, but if there was a retcon, it would probably because in the age when video conferencing is not unusual, it would have seemed odd for a 22nd century Starship to not have that sort of capability.  In many ways, it is like shifting Kahn a couple of decades into the future.

[Nemesis]

power is different than drive.  Just because you have a Warp Drive, doesn't mean the ship is powered by it.  In Enterprise almost everything was tied into the Impulse Engines.  Which would have made the ship an Impulse Powered Ship.

I agree in part. I don't recall Enterprise being all Impulse powered.  Can you cite an episode where they state it?

I have always taken it that "Warp Power" was used to mean matter - antimatter and "Impulse Power" something more primitive, perhaps fusion.  If so Enterprise had warp power.   

The Warbird of Balance of Terror seemed to move significantly slower than the Enterprise (1701).  Perhaps no faster than the shapeshifter warp 5 ship that was against the NX01. 

[Lieutenant_Q]

I know they tied their "Phase Cannons" into the Impulse Engines, and while they used EPS systems that shouldn't have been available until the early 24th century, when ever they lost Warp Drive, they still had most of their systems.  As to an instance where they actually state that the ship runs on Impulse.  It may have been when they were composing the letter to the school children in season one, but I can't be sure on that, its been five years since I've seen that episode.  I don't even know if they ever come out and say it directly.

There's just no way the Warbird has only Impulse Drive, because it would take decades just to reach the Neutral Zone, if that were the case.

Just found my copy of the Official(the one seen on screen in BoT) Romulan Neutral Zone.  The Zone is 12 light years in width.  (as opposed to the 750 Parsecs that Franz Joesph's Peace Treaty established)

[marstone]

I know they tied their "Phase Cannons" into the Impulse Engines, and while they used EPS systems that shouldn't have been available until the early 24th century, when ever they lost Warp Drive, they still had most of their systems.  As to an instance where they actually state that the ship runs on Impulse.  It may have been when they were composing the letter to the school children in season one, but I can't be sure on that, its been five years since I've seen that episode.  I don't even know if they ever come out and say it directly.

There's just no way the Warbird has only Impulse Drive, because it would take decades just to reach the Neutral Zone, if that were the case.

Just found my copy of the Official(the one seen on screen in BoT) Romulan Neutral Zone.  The Zone is 12 light years in width.  (as opposed to the 750 Parsecs that Franz Joesph's Peace Treaty established)

Read a ST book that explains the non warp ships better. (tho non canon it makes sense).

the ships actually have warp drive but sensors are not advanced anough to scan ahead while moving at warp speed.  So they have to do short jumps.  Scan a distance, then do a warp jump.  Then rescan, jump again.  makes it work like BSG jumping in a way.  But because of the low level scanning warp movement in combat, or continuously would be suicide as you can't see if you were going to hit something. The jumps were each long distance, but just not a continuous warp)

[knightstorm]

A better explanation is that Balance of Terror was an early episode, and they still hadn't fleshed out what exactly impulse power was yet.

[Sirgod]

Wait a second, there are two versions of Star Trek?  A canadian and USA version?  Are you pulling my leg...or is that for real?

Would Stephen lie to you?

LOL, God I love you guys.

no Dash, it was a joke. One that Nem picked up on super fast by the way.

Stephen

[Nemesis]

Wait a second, there are two versions of Star Trek?  A canadian and USA version?  Are you pulling my leg...or is that for real?

Would Stephen lie to you?

LOL, God I love you guys.

no Dash, it was a joke. One that Nem picked up on super fast by the way.

Stephen

You had to let him off the hook didn't you?  I was waiting for him to come back after showing off his new Trek Trivia knowledge and being proven wrong .

Actually though it is a Canadian version.  No FBI warning on the tape but a Canadian specific copyright warning.  Enterprise also had Canadian versions of some episodes as the American version was censored to remove "nudity" that was able to be shown here.

[marstone]

Actually though it is a Canadian version.  No FBI warning on the tape but a Canadian specific copyright warning.  Enterprise also had Canadian versions of some episodes as the American version was censored to remove "nudity" that was able to be shown here.

would figure that any woman not wearing full winter gear would be considered nudity in Canada.

[Nemesis]

A better explanation is that Balance of Terror was an early episode, and they still hadn't fleshed out what exactly impulse power was yet.

That's no fun.

I'm going to have to watch the Horizon episode of Enterprise and see if they explain anything about their power systems. 

I see it as most races develop impulse drive and choose the same power source for it as they develop one that allows impulse to be used efficiently.  As a result that power source becomes "culturally linked" to Impulse drive and gets referred to as "Impulse Power" and "Impulse Engines".  The same then happens when Warp is developed.

Impulse drive and Warp drive may under this thinking be powered by a variety of systems but not at an ideal efficiency.  A Warp drive powered by a typical Impulse engine might cruise at Warp 2 (freighters).  With an optimized Impulse engine perhaps warp 3.  Given Matter Antimatter for Warp Engines Warp 5 becomes possible.  Add Dilithium and warp 9 is achievable.

[Nemesis]

would figure that any woman not wearing full winter gear would be considered nudity in Canada.

Due to the weather we prize female nudity much more highly and apparently allow its broadcast more readily than the U.S.. 

In Enterprise the U.S. censored scenes with T'Pol for showing too much of her butt and breasts.  Those scenes were broadcast uncensored here. 

[Nemesis]

Proposed explanation for Uhura shifting from Gold to Red.

"Traditional" definition of uniform colours:
Gold - Command
Blue - Science and Medicine
Red - Engineering and "services"

"Revised" definition of uniform colours:
Gold - Command and un-specialized officers
Blue - Science and Medicine
Red - Engineering and "services"

Using the revised form Uhura went from un-specialized to being a communications specialist. 

In spite of that she is still able in The Balance of Terror to take over navigation when Stiles goes to phaser control.

[knightstorm]

would figure that any woman not wearing full winter gear would be considered nudity in Canada.

Due to the weather we prize female nudity much more highly and apparently allow its broadcast more readily than the U.S.. 

Didn't you guys once give preferential visa treatment to strippers wishing to enter the country?

[Nemesis]

Didn't you guys once give preferential visa treatment to strippers wishing to enter the country?

Apparently so but the Conservatives put a stop to it.  Now it is on a case by case basis.

[Corbomite]

Proposed explanation for Uhura shifting from Gold to Red.

"Traditional" definition of uniform colours:
Gold - Command
Blue - Science and Medicine
Red - Engineering and "services"

"Revised" definition of uniform colours:
Gold - Command and un-specialized officers
Blue - Science and Medicine
Red - Engineering and "services"

Using the revised form Uhura went from un-specialized to being a communications specialist. 

In spite of that she is still able in The Balance of Terror to take over navigation when Stiles goes to phaser control.

Actual explanation for Uhura going from gold to red: The Corbomite Maneuver was the first broadcast episode filmed and there were many changes to actors and roles and they didn't have all the details worked out, just like in Balance of Terror when Kirk calls for proximity fuse "phasers" and they show what eventually became the photon torpedo effect.