Topic: OT> why all the hate for the Trek 11?

[Kreeargh]

I realy dont understand why poeple are bitching about trek 11 it was a good Alternate universe trek flik? I see no spot the "orignal timeline " was messed with and its just a damn movie after all   .  The scifi was a little to fast but thats what slowmo on dvd is good for and some scenes were a waist like runing from the monster , I would have made a spock rescues kirk from drowing in the capsule or something scene there save 5min of bullcrap monsters.

[FoaS_XC]

Oooooh, don't post this here - its going to insight a flamewar.

[knightstorm]

To name a few reasons.

1. bad science (I know the real Star Trek would stretch things when necessary, but a galaxy threatening supernova was just retarded.)
2. idiotic plot
3. Destroys features which were intentionally put into Star Trek to distinguish it from low brow scifi
4. references to the real Star Trek come off as tongue and cheek parody
5. This ^*&( is put forth to replace the real Trek in production
6. They put a (*&^ing propeller on a spaceship
7. The Kelvin, Nero, and future Spock are supposed to be from the real Star Trek timeline, but they really don't fit in.
8. They gave Scotty a midget sidekick WTF!
9. An implication in the plot that the main cast are meant to be together which makes an implication in the nature vs. nurture debate which is inappropriate for Star Trek.

[Kreeargh]

END ALL FLAME WARS NOW !
In the first 5 min an alternate timeline you can see?  I think fans have hate cause they dont get what they want more than bad wrighting etc LOOK at movies in the past 10 years 80% are remakes or prequils you expect good wrighting for a movie these days your the idiot.
I also think its the end for me here if this hate is the case!!!!

[Tulwar]

Knightstorm and Kreeargh are both right.  I  must say that I did like the new cast, but geeze!  The sets, the plot, the models....  OMG!  Hollywood is bent on creating spectaculars that go way beyond believablity, combined with whatever style floats the directors boat.  Nobody cares about telling an interesting story.  How many ST novels are out there?  Some of them have to be good!  What do I know?  I paid $8.00....

[Nemesis]

In the first 5 min an alternate timeline you can see?

We have had prior discussions on that and not everyone agrees. 

[marstone]

In the first 5 min an alternate timeline you can see?

We have had prior discussions on that and not everyone agrees.

Sadly it isn't really worth bitching over and over about.  When it first came out to express you didn't like it and why is good, to harp on and on that the movie sucks is more then needed.

Either you liked it, or you didn't.  You are not going to change either mind.  Was it perfect, no.  So move on.

[atheorhaven]

I'd flip the question.. "Why all the love for the Trek 11?"

If you disagree with that question, great.  If you agree with that question, also good.

I know which side of the fence I'm on, same side as I sit on the new BSG.  All I'm going to say. 

[intermech]

I love the idea of an alternate universe that leaves the TNG period completely open to fan interpretation.  .  . changes I would make include:

No Klingon/Federation Alliance
No Federation ship bigger than Excelsior
An all out War between the Federation and Romulans instead of that Dominion stuff.

OK, now shoot me.

[atheorhaven]

I love the idea of an alternate universe that leaves the TNG period completely open to fan interpretation.  .  . changes I would make include:

No Klingon/Federation Alliance
No Federation ship bigger than Excelsior
An all out War between the Federation and Romulans instead of that Dominion stuff.

OK, now shoot me.

Personally, I'd also like to see the Romulans more back to their roots... almost a feudal Japanese-type society with a lot more honor than we saw in TNG.

Yeah, I could go for what you're saying as well. 

[Kreeargh]

I love the idea of an alternate universe that leaves the TNG period completely open to fan interpretation.  .  . changes I would make include:

No Klingon/Federation Alliance
No Federation ship bigger than Excelsior
An all out War between the Federation and Romulans instead of that Dominion stuff.

OK, now shoot me.

I want TMP fixed and added some stories for it. There is an entire generation of the enterprise B class that they need to make up Not rewright the same old crap in a new light just to piss off the masses of fans.
One thing i didnt like AT ALL with the new movie engine room , what the heck they go to miller and ask to use their tank room to film in ? Or is jjs enterprise a brewery lol.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

One thing i didnt like AT ALL with the new movie engine room , what the heck they go to miller and ask to use their tank room to film in ? Or is jjs enterprise a brewery lol.

OMG, I just saw the movie over the Thanksgiving Day weekend and thought the same thing...

WTF?!?!?!?

[762_XC]

Scotty has to distill scotch somewhere.

[knightstorm]

I think that TROST's foul perversion of Scotty was the one being distilled there.  Come to think of it, the $%%(ed up engine room was probably to set things up so that they could use "Scotty" in some poorly executed over the top slapstick.

[Kreeargh]

I think that TROST's foul perversion of Scotty was the one being distilled there.  Come to think of it, the $%%(ed up engine room was probably to set things up so that they could use "Scotty" in some poorly executed over the top slapstick.

LOL lack of design skill i think in their team.  In my opinion they could have hired any joe from SFM and got a better job on design for alot of the movie.  I have major issues with the scene where kirk ran to chat about the klinks in the tank/computer room but looking at the scene where scotty shot out the anitmatter remindes me of the nx enterprise engine room which kinda makes a little sence there.  I didnt mind any of the cast except the romulans damn tats. After all they totaly FRAKED up TNG for me thanks to the frakin sovern class each to your own  .
I wana see more with this cast i am willing to pay 10$ for the dvd 

[knightstorm]

After all they totaly FRAKED up TNG for me thanks to the frakin sovern class each to your own

Actually, I liked the Sovereign class a lot better than the Galaxy.  The Galaxy always struck me as bloated and ugly looking, and the number of civilians, and non-essentials crammed onto the ship made it look ridiculous.  I think the evacuation scene from Generations demonstrates how over the top the Galaxy class was.  I guess it might have been useful for diplomacy, since the federation can impress foreign delegates by showing how much room they could devote to worthless $%^$ like petting zoos.  The Sovereign on the other hand looked sleek and attractive.  I especially liked how they gave the ship back swept nacelles.

[Kreeargh]

After all they totaly FRAKED up TNG for me thanks to the frakin sovern class each to your own

Actually, I liked the Sovereign class a lot better than the Galaxy.  The Galaxy always struck me as bloated and ugly looking, and the number of civilians, and non-essentials crammed onto the ship made it look ridiculous.  I think the evacuation scene from Generations demonstrates how over the top the Galaxy class was.  I guess it might have been useful for diplomacy, since the federation can impress foreign delegates by showing how much room they could devote to worthless $%^$ like petting zoos.  The Sovereign on the other hand looked sleek and attractive.  I especially liked how they gave the ship back swept nacelles.

I dont think Trek was about military export it was invisioned to be Explorer with the famaly universe. Even though Gene was old he has some say in the style of the galaxy or it would have ended up like B&B barf 1701e.  he he no fight just my thoughs 

[knightstorm]

After all they totaly FRAKED up TNG for me thanks to the frakin sovern class each to your own

Actually, I liked the Sovereign class a lot better than the Galaxy.  The Galaxy always struck me as bloated and ugly looking, and the number of civilians, and non-essentials crammed onto the ship made it look ridiculous.  I think the evacuation scene from Generations demonstrates how over the top the Galaxy class was.  I guess it might have been useful for diplomacy, since the federation can impress foreign delegates by showing how much room they could devote to worthless $%^$ like petting zoos.  The Sovereign on the other hand looked sleek and attractive.  I especially liked how they gave the ship back swept nacelles.

I dont think Trek was about military export it was invisioned to be Explorer with the famaly universe. Even though Gene was old he has some say in the style of the galaxy or it would have ended up like B&B barf 1701e.  he he no fight just my thoughs 

Roddenbery also had men running around in skirts.  Not all of his ideas were good ones.  Considering that starfleet ships are constantly being exposed to non-combat related dangers, putting children on-board them is stupid.

[Corbomite]

Roddenbery also had men running around in skirts.

What do you have against the Scots?

[knightstorm]

Roddenbery also had men running around in skirts.

What do you have against the Scots?

I think that you'll have to agree that this is completely different from traditional ethnic garb.

[Corbomite]

Roddenbery also had men running around in skirts.

What do you have against the Scots?

I think that you'll have to agree that this is completely different from traditional ethnic garb.

Not in the land of cross dressing Pacific Islanders.

[Nemesis]

Roddenbery also had men running around in skirts.

I think that with that Roddenberry was challenging peoples perceptions.  Just because western culture currently has a bias against men in skirts doesn't make it a permanent thing.  In past centuries men wore ruffles that if worn now would be seen as just as strange as a skirt.

[knightstorm]

Roddenbery also had men running around in skirts.

I think that with that Roddenberry was challenging peoples perceptions.  Just because western culture currently has a bias against men in skirts doesn't make it a permanent thing.  In past centuries men wore ruffles that if worn now would be seen as just as strange as a skirt.

From what I've read, the men in skirts thing was based on the concept of total gender equality in the 24th century.  Since men and women were complete equals, it wouldn't be too uncommon for men to wear women's clothing.  I personally think it was a stupid idea.