Topic: My First Full Mesh (About Bleeding Time at That)

[Fallen_Warrior]

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[Starforce2]

let me be the first to say...you suck... J/k

Seriously, that's a nice daedelus, and damn good for a first mesh too. I'll be emailing you my ship request list tomarrow...better empty your inbox   

[atheorhaven]

I have one... the Olympic Class. 

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/e/e0/USS_Pasteur.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/5/56/USS_Pasteur%2C_Earth_orbit.jpg
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/rescuehospital_olympic.jpg
http://www.digitaleuphoriaweb.com/pasteur2.jpg
http://www.trekmeshes.ch/meshes/largethumbs/OLYMPIC.JPG
http://users.bigpond.net.au/dax/olympic.jpg

There we go..

[candle_86]

comet class the old SFC version vanished long ago, though is it all unified or is it still seperate, just wondering, cause BC from what im told unless its unified. But damn it looks like I got compitition on the daedalus

[atheorhaven]

It helps to have a unified mesh for BC but it isn't necessary, that's why most SFC models make such great ports for BC. And im talking about the level of UV mapping detail, not the mesh.

As for the Comet, Any pics?

Located here:
http://www.starfleet-museum.org/fireball.htm
http://www.starfleet-museum.org/uesn-daedalus-comet.jpg
http://www.starfleet-museum.org/comet.jpg

http://www.daedalusclass.com/

[atheorhaven]

I will think about that, if I do make it the textures will probably be British in theme... might be interesting.

Obviously... some of us know about the Comet. 

What was this I was hearing about them refitting/rebuilding some old Comets to fly anti-submarine duty?  Talk about your comeback story..

Just found the story:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/nimrod_mra4_prod_variant_first_flight/

[Kreeargh]

Hell of a good Job    Start playing with verts not extrudeing polys  thats the true key to geting the detail you want moveing them verts around to get the shape you want.  Keep it up.

[FoaS_XC]

FW thats excellent for a first scratch mesh. I am not sure if I am a fan of the raised paneling on the sphere, however. On the canon Daedalus, the smoothness of the sphere sets up a nice contrast with the ribs seen on the secondary hull and nacelles. If you want to do more than just a smooth sphere, I think a layered thing more like how DarkDrone did his daedalus works better - the layers existed only horizontally, not vertically.

[FoaS_XC]

Leaving seams for the textures is usually a wise thing to do.

[Starforce2]

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/my_ships.htm

there a bunch of sphere based ships in the charts on this page.

[Rod ONeal]

I think it's a fine design. Looks really good! I don't think the sphere is over detailed at all. I'd add some sort of collar where the boom goes into the 2ndary hull and more structure where the nacelle struts connect to it as well. I love the rest of it though, for the era it's resigned for.

[Magnum357]

Just wanted to add to this discussion that the Comet Class is probably one of my favorite designs.  The NX-01 should have been heavily based on the Comet because it fits well with the Early era of Starfleet.  Can I make one request though, is it possible you coudl scale it a litte larger?  The original specs seem to make the ship a bit small in my opinion.  Maybe make it about 15% larger would be nice.   

[JohanobesusII]

I like that Daedalus.  The weapon mounts do look a bit too modern though.  If its armament was mainly missiles with lasers for point defense or maybe a couple of heavy laser cannons, should they look just like phaser turrets? 

It is going to be released for EaW/OP isn't it? 

[candle_86]

i can texture your comet if you want, im doing someone elses also. Of course I do my textures to Cannon which means UES colors not UFP colors. Also the comet is fanon and not a very detailed one at that. So i like your mesh.

[candle_86]

any plans to release for BC?

also for Daedalus it is Cannon, Sisko's deskmodel provided that. Which makes the Daedalus canon. It was seen in both Essex and Horizon which gives us the 2100's period from both TOS and TNG. Because Essex was called Daedalus and this model appeared labled both Essex and Daedalus it verify's that Horizon was also Daedalus. Also it verfied the UFP colors of the 2100's.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/daedalus-problems.htm

[candle_86]

lol just asking about bc, when your done let me know ill gladly port it.

[Magnum357]

Besides thanks to Enterprise and JJ. Canon is no longer valid any more in my eyes. So I can make my models however I want.

I'm sure I'm going to regret saying this in some way, but I totally argee with this statement.  But nothing against ST: Enterprise,  I enjoyed most of the episodes (even though they contradicted most of all the other ST shows) but I didn't look at the show as Canon anyways.  I try not to relate it to the "later" period shows, a separete show all on its own.  The only real complaint I had was the exterior design of the Enterprise, B + B could have done a little better job at that. 

I did not watch JJ's Star Trek, nor do I plan too. 

[candle_86]

well the art department for ST:E wanted a Daedalus Class ship in style for ET:E, but BnB decided they wanted a sleeker look.

[Magnum357]

Sleeker?!?!  Your kidding right?  The NX-01 looked like it was slapped together.  Something similar to the Daedalus or this Comet class would have been a better option.   

But I will say, I did like the uniforms and the interior sets of Enterprise.  Those were top notch.   

[Rod ONeal]

Besides thanks to Enterprise and JJ. Canon is no longer valid any more in my eyes. So I can make my models however I want.

I'm sure I'm going to regret saying this in some way, but I totally argee with this statement.  But nothing against ST: Enterprise,  I enjoyed most of the episodes (even though they contradicted most of all the other ST shows) but I didn't look at the show as Canon anyways.  I try not to relate it to the "later" period shows, a separete show all on its own.  The only real complaint I had was the exterior design of the Enterprise, B + B could have done a little better job at that. 

I did not watch JJ's Star Trek, nor do I plan too. 

I second that. Enterprise and the new movie have completely destroyed any continuity in Trek. We should all just embrace SFB, IMHO.

[candle_86]

I wont, i instead choose to ignore STXI and can explain the NX away

[FoaS_XC]

I just don't take the whole thing seriously :-P.

[marstone]

I just don't take the whole thing seriously :-P.

Exactly

That is my way, it is all good.  I don't have a problem with the newer better ships that should be around the same time as the old 1701 was.  That ship was designed in the '60 when the idea of a computer was a huge machine that flickered lights, and was controlled with toggles and switches.

If you kept the same look you would also kill the franchise.  (old people who are fans is fine, but we are going to die soon).  The younger ones are the people you have to drag in.  And having ships and tech that look hookie will not do it.

But that being said, I really disliked all the glass panels on the bridge of a warship.  Not durable anough for a ship like that.  But I had no problem with the outside of the new 1701.  (I still dislike the TMP updated 1701).  Now the bridge of the NX-01 (I think that is its number) I liked, but not so much the ship (but that is because it looked newer then the 1701, and I can live with that now).

Same reason that on the TV shows the ship design had flowed into many different styles that never would have been thought of ten years before that.  Its change, got to live with it.  As the vision of the future changes so must the fantasy representation of it.

Okay, rant over.

[candle_86]

I just don't take the whole thing seriously :-P.

Exactly

That is my way, it is all good.  I don't have a problem with the newer better ships that should be around the same time as the old 1701 was.  That ship was designed in the '60 when the idea of a computer was a huge machine that flickered lights, and was controlled with toggles and switches.

If you kept the same look you would also kill the franchise.  (old people who are fans is fine, but we are going to die soon).  The younger ones are the people you have to drag in.  And having ships and tech that look hookie will not do it.

But that being said, I really disliked all the glass panels on the bridge of a warship.  Not durable anough for a ship like that.  But I had no problem with the outside of the new 1701.  (I still dislike the TMP updated 1701).  Now the bridge of the NX-01 (I think that is its number) I liked, but not so much the ship (but that is because it looked newer then the 1701, and I can live with that now).

Same reason that on the TV shows the ship design had flowed into many different styles that never would have been thought of ten years before that.  Its change, got to live with it.  As the vision of the future changes so must the fantasy representation of it.

Okay, rant over.

im 22 im the new generation they want to snag, and I prefer my toogle switch's, funny sounds, and campy acting. Today I watched The Omega Glory on CBS's website, do you honestly think this new trek can pull those kind of episodes off? Its the people my age that need the wake up call for whats what. Touch screens have no tactile response this bugs me with the L'Cars the modern navy could go to all touch screen but people prefer a tactile reponse, its also easier to know what your doing. Even Nasa's new ship has toggles and switch's and we have the control technology today to build a total class cockpit for it, but where not. Why even 300 years from now would they do away with tactile reponse?

No I find Kirks bridge more beliviable than picards bridge honestly. I wouldn't want to serve aboard something with no tactile reponse, and thats a fact. Give me the NX, TOS, or Enterprise Refit Bridge, not the A's over the new trek bridge any day. So again I say the folks my age need a lesson

[FoaS_XC]

im 22 im the new generation they want to snag, and I prefer my toogle switch's, funny sounds, and campy acting.

*SNIP*

Give me the NX, TOS, or Enterprise Refit Bridge, not the A's over the new trek bridge any day. So again I say the folks my age need a lesson

HAH! I a member of *your* generation, and I completely disagree. Ent-A had the best bridge, methinks. Campy acting has its place, but its not my favored form of trek. I prefer the whole Wet-Navy-In-Space feel that was in tWoK or Undiscovered Country. Touch screens have their uses, as do hard toggles and what not - but input methods are pointless. It's all about the overall aesthetic. TOS was comical, TNG was Hokey. The Kirk Movies had it perfect, in my mind.

[marstone]

im 22 im the new generation they want to snag, and I prefer my toogle switch's, funny sounds, and campy acting.

*SNIP*

Give me the NX, TOS, or Enterprise Refit Bridge, not the A's over the new trek bridge any day. So again I say the folks my age need a lesson

HAH! I a member of *your* generation, and I completely disagree. Ent-A had the best bridge, methinks. Campy acting has its place, but its not my favored form of trek. I prefer the whole Wet-Navy-In-Space feel that was in tWoK or Undiscovered Country. Touch screens have their uses, as do hard toggles and what not - but input methods are pointless. It's all about the overall aesthetic. TOS was comical, TNG was Hokey. The Kirk Movies had it perfect, in my mind.

As I am in the group who watched ST in the first re-run time(early '70's.  I can't speak for the young ones.  But my son (17) can.  And the posts I make about his generation have been talked over with him and we post a overview of two generations.  He is the other side of my brain (or as he posts on his boards, "my other brain" when refering to something I said)

I am not saying everyone will agree.  But if you look at newer military vehicles, they may not all have touch screens, and still have buttons (for the fact they are more durable then touch screens right now), but the functions they do are reassignable and change depending on level of input being done.  ('tho some fighters do run all touch screens for computer interaction) 

The point I meant was an input device for a ship will not be just a panel of toggels like original trek.  Watching them randomly flipping toggles and pushing buttons (none of which have a marking on them, which if you have been in the military you know everything has instructions on them).  A more logical system was needed, what it is each generation has to work out (same as the real world, things change just look at phones over the last 30 years, big rotar dial to touch screen IPhone).  I just say, don't discount because the looks change over time.

Can they make a show like the old ones, sure.  A good story and acting (which was not always present in the old show either) trumps all the tech crap.

[candle_86]

i cant agree, Trek was that bridge, even today I don't doubt thats a possibility for the future, because it still looks futureistic from where im standing, maybe im using rose colored glass's but to me trek is James T Kirk on a red and black bridge with a big blue bulky command chair.

[marstone]

i cant agree, Trek was that bridge, even today I don't doubt thats a possibility for the future, because it still looks futureistic from where im standing, maybe im using rose colored glass's but to me trek is James T Kirk on a red and black bridge with a big blue bulky command chair.

Well, can respect that.  That is the nice things of the Star Trek universe having grown to cover so much as it has.  Most people can find something they like in it.

Now, as I am a SFB nut.  I like the look of the TOS ships over all.  It is one reason I can't get into SFC3 (beside I don't like the way the rules seem to run) I don't like the look of the ships (or borg).  But it will not stop me from enjoying other parts of the STU.

So enjoy the parts you love and stick to your guns.

[candle_86]

do a boolean cut on it once you have them positioned make a clone of opperend b and you will get your cutout

[FoaS_XC]

Never use booleans unless absolutely necessary - they are sloppy and require way too much time to fix. In order to cut a circular cut out (assuming you're using max) Create a circular spline, and set the interprolation to the proper amount in order to get how ever many edges you want in the cut out (inter. of 0 will create a four-edged, 1 will create 8, 2 will create 12, etc). Go to an orthographic view (the front would be appropriate i guess.) Turn on snap to vertex's and use the cut tool, using the vertexes of the spline as a guide. If the path of the spline crosses over an edge of the mesh, you can use edge snap in order to keep to the shape of the spline - but I think that the cut tool will cross edges automatically.

Do not use boolean or shapemerge unless absolutely necessary - they are woefully lacking, methinks.

[joker]

I think this is a good start. well done.

[ModelsPlease]

OK now I know I've been away too long when you start meshing 
j/k looks good my friend

[Centurus]

OK now I know I've been away too long when you start meshing 
j/k looks good my friend

You should see what I've been making.  I've gone beyond just regular saucers now.  :-D  Hey, can you map?

[ModelsPlease]

OK now I know I've been away too long when you start meshing 
j/k looks good my friend

You should see what I've been making.  I've gone beyond just regular saucers now.  :-D  Hey, can you map?

Yes I can map, however right now I still dont have the time to dedicate to moddling, sorry my friend.

[Centurus]

OK now I know I've been away too long when you start meshing 
j/k looks good my friend

You should see what I've been making.  I've gone beyond just regular saucers now.  :-D  Hey, can you map?

Yes I can map, however right now I still dont have the time to dedicate to moddling, sorry my friend.

That's alright.  *looks at F_W and then grabs a shotgun baseball bat, and combat rubber chicken* 

[intermech]

Well done, looks great!

[Centurus]

Absolutely nothing.  I was hoping you'd grab those ropes and chains and help me secure MP here so he couldn't get away.

[Antivyrus]

OK now I know I've been away too long when you start meshing 
j/k looks good my friend

You took the words right outta my head MP

Great job on the mesh btw F_W