Topic: Post if you have a FUNCTIONAL XP system and are interested in another SGO server

[Nemesis]

Oh right, your ship always got blown up to quickly for us to be properly introduced.

My bad, -I'm the guy who always blew your ship up to quickly for us to be properly introduced.

Nice to meet you.

If you are on the next server perhaps you'll get  your chance for a rematch after our last battle.  Maybe this time you won't hit an asteroid while running from me .

Note: I haven't been playing much lately and am VERY rusty.

[Dizzy]

Oh right, your ship always got blown up to quickly for us to be properly introduced.

My bad, -I'm the guy who always blew your ship up to quickly for us to be properly introduced.

Nice to meet you.

Kirk reprogrammed the simulator too... 

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Hexx....the only starship captian in the known universe who needs a booster seat...

You forgot about his sippy cup.

[Kroma BaSyl]

If you are on the next server perhaps you'll get  your chance for a rematch after our last battle. 

Careful posting links to past battles with Hexx. Last time I did that Frey almost had me arrested for distributing kitty-porn.

[Commander Maxillius]

i'm in if it stirs the pot a bit more.

With Dizzy's penchant for rules, I'll never get in anything bigger than a CL, which suits me fine because I suck at anything bigger.

[Nemesis]

With Dizzy's penchant for rules, I'll never get in anything bigger than a CL, which suits me fine because I suck at anything bigger.

  Nice to see I'm not the only one who doesn't have to have the "biggest and baddest" ship in the game.  I also prefer the mainline ships and command variants rather than the "specialty ships".

[Commander Maxillius]

I like "first versions", i.e. F-CL, I-CL, R-WB+...  the first versions of that hull type.  Most refits get added weaponry but no extra power to run them.  the I-CL has the same power as the I-CLZ, but the Z refit adds 4 plasma I's, 4 phaser 3's, and upgrades the plasma G's to plasma S's and doesn't get one more point of power.

i'll take speed over armament in a pvp any day!

[Corbomite]

I like "first versions", i.e. F-CL, I-CL, R-WB+...  the first versions of that hull type.  Most refits get added weaponry but no extra power to run them.  the I-CL has the same power as the I-CLZ, but the Z refit adds 4 plasma I's, 4 phaser 3's, and upgrades the plasma G's to plasma S's and doesn't get one more point of power.

i'll take speed over armament in a pvp any day!

With the exception of the Plasma S's, none of those weapons costs power to hold. The I-CL hulls have one of the best power curves in the game no matter what you put on them. As long as you aren't trigger happy you can run 25+ and easily charge both S's and PH-1's and 31 just charging the Plasma S's or I's. Plasma I's should only be used when there is a 100% chance of them connecting (or getting your opponent to WW). Now the I-CM hulls are another story. That PPD sucks up a lot of power for a light hull and three Plasma G's cost a little too much too (on the I-CM).

[Commander Maxillius]

I like "first versions", i.e. F-CL, I-CL, R-WB+...  the first versions of that hull type.  Most refits get added weaponry but no extra power to run them.  the I-CL has the same power as the I-CLZ, but the Z refit adds 4 plasma I's, 4 phaser 3's, and upgrades the plasma G's to plasma S's and doesn't get one more point of power.

i'll take speed over armament in a pvp any day!

With the exception of the Plasma S's, none of those weapons costs power to hold. The I-CL hulls have one of the best power curves in the game no matter what you put on them. As long as you aren't trigger happy you can run 25+ and easily charge both S's and PH-1's and 31 just charging the Plasma S's or I's. Plasma I's should only be used when there is a 100% chance of them connecting (or getting your opponent to WW). Now the I-CM hulls are another story. That PPD sucks up a lot of power for a light hull and three Plasma G's cost a little too much too (on the I-CM).

But I want to be able to *use* the weapons my ship has, so there's little point in carrying crap I don't use.  The CLZ was a bad example because I often get chased so the I's get used more than the forward weapons do!  The CMZ has gobs of power as it can charge everything at speed 31... eventually.  It's over the course of like 10 turns but it does it.

[Corbomite]

I like "first versions", i.e. F-CL, I-CL, R-WB+...  the first versions of that hull type.  Most refits get added weaponry but no extra power to run them.  the I-CL has the same power as the I-CLZ, but the Z refit adds 4 plasma I's, 4 phaser 3's, and upgrades the plasma G's to plasma S's and doesn't get one more point of power.

i'll take speed over armament in a pvp any day!

With the exception of the Plasma S's, none of those weapons costs power to hold. The I-CL hulls have one of the best power curves in the game no matter what you put on them. As long as you aren't trigger happy you can run 25+ and easily charge both S's and PH-1's and 31 just charging the Plasma S's or I's. Plasma I's should only be used when there is a 100% chance of them connecting (or getting your opponent to WW). Now the I-CM hulls are another story. That PPD sucks up a lot of power for a light hull and three Plasma G's cost a little too much too (on the I-CM).

But I want to be able to *use* the weapons my ship has, so there's little point in carrying crap I don't use.  The CLZ was a bad example because I often get chased so the I's get used more than the forward weapons do!  The CMZ has gobs of power as it can charge everything at speed 31... eventually.  It's over the course of like 10 turns but it does it.

Ummm, the CMZ has the same power as the CLZ and more weapons to charge. I "use" all my weapons on every ship, but like on most ships, if you fire everything you will have to choose between charging everything and speed, so discretion when flying charge heavy ships is needed. I put restrictions on myself firing costly secondary weapons (like Plasma I's) because they take too long to charge, so I like to make sure they actually do something for me.

[Nemesis]

I like "first versions", i.e. F-CL, I-CL, R-WB+...  the first versions of that hull type.  Most refits get added weaponry but no extra power to run them.  the I-CL has the same power as the I-CLZ, but the Z refit adds 4 plasma I's, 4 phaser 3's, and upgrades the plasma G's to plasma S's and doesn't get one more point of power.

i'll take speed over armament in a pvp any day!

I prefer the early era myself (and dislike X Ships).

I also wish that Cole had been better at making sure that the newer races included "design flaws" like the older ones.  The Hydran for example are specifically geared with weapons that target their traditional enemies.  The original core races aren't like that, they have flaws as well as advantages. 

[Commander Maxillius]

I like "first versions", i.e. F-CL, I-CL, R-WB+...  the first versions of that hull type.  Most refits get added weaponry but no extra power to run them.  the I-CL has the same power as the I-CLZ, but the Z refit adds 4 plasma I's, 4 phaser 3's, and upgrades the plasma G's to plasma S's and doesn't get one more point of power.

i'll take speed over armament in a pvp any day!

I prefer the early era myself (and dislike X Ships).

I also wish that Cole had been better at making sure that the newer races included "design flaws" like the older ones.  The Hydran for example are specifically geared with weapons that target their traditional enemies.  The original core races aren't like that, they have flaws as well as advantages.

I wouldn't say the Hydrans are flawless.  Try to take down a starbase with a typical Hydran CA or BCH and you'll see what I mean.

[deadmansix]

I like "first versions", i.e. F-CL, I-CL, R-WB+...  the first versions of that hull type.  Most refits get added weaponry but no extra power to run them.  the I-CL has the same power as the I-CLZ, but the Z refit adds 4 plasma I's, 4 phaser 3's, and upgrades the plasma G's to plasma S's and doesn't get one more point of power.

i'll take speed over armament in a pvp any day!

I prefer the early era myself (and dislike X Ships).

I also wish that Cole had been better at making sure that the newer races included "design flaws" like the older ones.  The Hydran for example are specifically geared with weapons that target their traditional enemies.  The original core races aren't like that, they have flaws as well as advantages.

I wouldn't say the Hydrans are flawless.  Try to take down a starbase with a typical Hydran CA or BCH and you'll see what I mean.

 not to mention that they are under powerd and extremly short on drone defence.

 I know this from experance.

[KBF-Crim]

not to mention that they are under powerd and extremly short on drone defence.

 I know this from experance.

 

[KBF-Butcher]

Ping
 

[Nemesis]

I prefer the early era myself (and dislike X Ships).

I also wish that Cole had been better at making sure that the newer races included "design flaws" like the older ones.  The Hydran for example are specifically geared with weapons that target their traditional enemies.  The original core races aren't like that, they have flaws as well as advantages.

I wouldn't say the Hydrans are flawless.  Try to take down a starbase with a typical Hydran CA or BCH and you'll see what I mean.

 not to mention that they are under powerd and extremly short on drone defence.

 I know this from experance.

Consider it in the context I intended namely SFB (as indicated by my referring to Cole). 

The Hydrans were designed with all Centre Hull (aka the 7th shield) as an advantage.  Their Hellbore was specifically designed to fight the Klingons of the time (neutralize their maneuvering advantage by hitting the glass rear shields) and also the Lyrans (knock down an active ESG).

In SFB a single cruiser was never intended to be able to take on a Starbase, that was a job for an entire fleet.   A D7, F-CA or WE couldn't do it either.

As to drone defense the only drones they initially fought were the early Klingon F-Rack and the occasional scatterpack and slow (speed 8 ) drones.  For that not only were the paired Ph-G more than adequate but the additional Ph-G of their fighters could handle far more drones.

Remember the fighter Fusion Beams were not range limited like in SFC.  Look at the range charts and you will find that the Rangers Fusion Beams plus those of its fighters could knock down a D7's #1 shield at a respectable range.

[Commander Maxillius]

I prefer the early era myself (and dislike X Ships).

I also wish that Cole had been better at making sure that the newer races included "design flaws" like the older ones.  The Hydran for example are specifically geared with weapons that target their traditional enemies.  The original core races aren't like that, they have flaws as well as advantages.

I wouldn't say the Hydrans are flawless.  Try to take down a starbase with a typical Hydran CA or BCH and you'll see what I mean.

 not to mention that they are under powerd and extremly short on drone defence.

 I know this from experance.

Consider it in the context I intended namely SFB (as indicated by my referring to Cole). 

The Hydrans were designed with all Centre Hull (aka the 7th shield) as an advantage.  Their Hellbore was specifically designed to fight the Klingons of the time (neutralize their maneuvering advantage by hitting the glass rear shields) and also the Lyrans (knock down an active ESG).

In SFB a single cruiser was never intended to be able to take on a Starbase, that was a job for an entire fleet.   A D7, F-CA or WE couldn't do it either.

As to drone defense the only drones they initially fought were the early Klingon F-Rack and the occasional scatterpack and slow (speed 8 ) drones.  For that not only were the paired Ph-G more than adequate but the additional Ph-G of their fighters could handle far more drones.

Remember the fighter Fusion Beams were not range limited like in SFC.  Look at the range charts and you will find that the Rangers Fusion Beams plus those of its fighters could knock down a D7's #1 shield at a respectable range.

Ah, but also in SFB you could field more than 3 ships at once, so in SFC there needed to be changes.  Thus I *can* take down a starbase in a R-WE

but I don't think the Hydrans are *that* lacking in drone defense.  Especially when you consider that the Ph-G is *supposed* to be defensive like the Ph-3.

Every time one of these discussions breaks out I wish SFC was more like SFB!

[FVA_C_ Blade_ XC]

  Boo!

[knightstorm]

but I don't think the Hydrans are *that* lacking in drone defense.  Especially when you consider that the Ph-G is *supposed* to be defensive like the Ph-3.

And fighters can also provide an extra layer of point defense.

[FPF-DieHard]

Every time one of these discussions breaks out I wish SFC was more like SFB!

SFB was/is always more fun to talk about than play.   SFC has the same amount of funness.

Nem, thanks for diggin up the Mirror/Mirror kill thread.   Reading through that brings up so many memories.