Topic: this has bugged me for years

[Nemesis]

The Excelsior was arguably a failure.  It was supposed to demonstrate the trans warp technology.  If it had succeeded then why did not the Enterprise C through E have the technology?  To me it has all the ear marks of a failed prototype.  Scotty expected it to fail which is why he criticized it, TNG proves he was right.  Any later Excelsior designs presumably went back to warp engines.

[candle_86]

they all did, even the original excelscior was refit by STVI with normal warp engines we can see that much on her nacells. And the A wasnt a peice of junk, it was freash from refit/construction STIV and and sources make this hard to really figure out, but the A was ordered to Neranda III without having a full crew and still in peices, the ship wasn't near ready to launch.

[Nemesis]

And the A wasnt a peice of junk

I believe that Corbomite was referring to the Excelsior.

[knightstorm]

Advanced? Funny, I remember it being a POS and Scotty saying as much. I guess I'll have to suffer through ST5 again to find out.

The ship was suffering from glitches in its new presumably more advanced computer.

[Corbomite]

Advanced? Funny, I remember it being a POS and Scotty saying as much. I guess I'll have to suffer through ST5 again to find out.

The ship was suffering from glitches in its new presumably more advanced computer.

Sounds like a certain game series we all know and love... 

[knightstorm]

Advanced? Funny, I remember it being a POS and Scotty saying as much. I guess I'll have to suffer through ST5 again to find out.

The ship was suffering from glitches in its new presumably more advanced computer.

Sounds like a certain game series we all know and love... 

Taldren did go for the movie era look in the stock game for a reason

[Storvick_XC]

The Excelsior was arguably a failure.  It was supposed to demonstrate the trans warp technology.  If it had succeeded then why did not the Enterprise C through E have the technology?  To me it has all the ear marks of a failed prototype.  Scotty expected it to fail which is why he criticized it, TNG proves he was right.  Any later Excelsior designs presumably went back to warp engines.

Remember in Star Trek III Scotty took parts out of the Excelsior so that it would break down when it gave chase to Kirk and crew stealing the Enterprise. Thats one way of thinking it was a failure. Scotty was in charge of the transwarp drive on the Excelsior when it was being built. He gave the parts to Kirk but I guess they never turned the parts back over to Starfleet

[Nemesis]

The Excelsior was arguably a failure.  It was supposed to demonstrate the trans warp technology.  If it had succeeded then why did not the Enterprise C through E have the technology?  To me it has all the ear marks of a failed prototype.  Scotty expected it to fail which is why he criticized it, TNG proves he was right.  Any later Excelsior designs presumably went back to warp engines.

Remember in Star Trek III Scotty took parts out of the Excelsior so that it would break down when it gave chase to Kirk and crew stealing the Enterprise. Thats one way of thinking it was a failure. Scotty was in charge of the transwarp drive on the Excelsior when it was being built. He gave the parts to Kirk but I guess they never turned the parts back over to Starfleet

It has been a long time since I saw that particular movie but I was under the impression that Scotty was not involved with the Excelsior and was against it.  That he was able to get a tour (and freedom to sabotage) based on his stature as Starfleets best Chief Engineer.

[Sirgod]

The Excelsior was arguably a failure.  It was supposed to demonstrate the trans warp technology.  If it had succeeded then why did not the Enterprise C through E have the technology?  To me it has all the ear marks of a failed prototype.  Scotty expected it to fail which is why he criticized it, TNG proves he was right.  Any later Excelsior designs presumably went back to warp engines.

Dude we all know from the last movie, the reason Transwarp didn't work was because of the lack of Red Matter, and Isolating Scotty long enough to work it out.

<ducks>

Stephen

[Storvick_XC]

The Excelsior was arguably a failure.  It was supposed to demonstrate the trans warp technology.  If it had succeeded then why did not the Enterprise C through E have the technology?  To me it has all the ear marks of a failed prototype.  Scotty expected it to fail which is why he criticized it, TNG proves he was right.  Any later Excelsior designs presumably went back to warp engines.

Remember in Star Trek III Scotty took parts out of the Excelsior so that it would break down when it gave chase to Kirk and crew stealing the Enterprise. Thats one way of thinking it was a failure. Scotty was in charge of the transwarp drive on the Excelsior when it was being built. He gave the parts to Kirk but I guess they never turned the parts back over to Starfleet

It has been a long time since I saw that particular movie but I was under the impression that Scotty was not involved with the Excelsior and was against it.  That he was able to get a tour (and freedom to sabotage) based on his stature as Starfleets best Chief Engineer.

2285 – Promoted to captain, oversaw test of transwarp drive for U.S.S. Excelsior under Capt. Styles  (from the Offical Star Trek site on the Bio of Scotty)

[knightstorm]

The Excelsior was arguably a failure.  It was supposed to demonstrate the trans warp technology.  If it had succeeded then why did not the Enterprise C through E have the technology?  To me it has all the ear marks of a failed prototype.  Scotty expected it to fail which is why he criticized it, TNG proves he was right.  Any later Excelsior designs presumably went back to warp engines.

Dude we all know from the last movie, the reason Transwarp didn't work was because of the lack of Red Matter, and Isolating Scotty long enough to work it out.

<ducks>

Stephen

I thought the TROST explanation is that the ship didn't have a propeller.  Or maybe it was because the warp nacelles were not balanced in natural gravity.  Or maybe transwarp only works when there's a supernova capable of threatening the entire galaxy.  Possibly, you have to fly into a black hole to travel through time and create a lightning storm in order to trigger it.

[Sirgod]

I love it Knightstorm. Good points.

Stephen

[knightstorm]

I forgot the most important technological innovations in TROST's SR universe.   The ship needs water turbines, and tailfins on the nacelles!

[Age]

Why was the entire consitition fleet mothballed? The design couldn't have been that hard to upgrade, Oberth class ships are older as noticed with there 3 digit registry, putting them very old. Miriandia class registries also are right around Consistion class's and those vessels still serve and are smaller and more cramped. What was the reason besides a dramtic finish to Star Trek Six was there to retire the Consistion Fleet, I mean the Enterprise A was refit in 2286 and mothballed in 2293 that doesnt make sense at all. Also why are constellation class ships retired from fleet duty.

The Enterprise A was not refit it was competely new ship with warp core instead of coil which the refitted one had before it crashed into Genisis.Star Trek 3 The Search for Spock.I do agree with you as why didn't you see them use the most popular ship of them all as you saw all the others.I guess they just wanted to get those next gen fans to forget about the original cast."Those Butchers Charelton Heston Planet of the Apes".


I beleive that they were being replaced by the Miranda class as they were cheaper to run and operate than the Constition A Class.

[candle_86]

cheaper but not as much space

[Age]

The reason I would assume is so that Starfleet can build more Excelsior class ships to go further out and do exploration.Starfleet didn't need the massive exspensive CA like the Enterprise A in service.

[Nemesis]

The reason I would assume is so that Starfleet can build more Excelsior class ships to go further out and do exploration.Starfleet didn't need the massive exspensive CA like the Enterprise A in service.

Different designs for different purposes.  One could be equipped for the long range exploration while the other is for short to medium range.

[Age]

The reason I would assume is so that Starfleet can build more Excelsior class ships to go further out and do exploration.Starfleet didn't need the massive exspensive CA like the Enterprise A in service.

Different designs for different purposes.  One could be equipped for the long range exploration while the other is for short to medium range.

Yes exactly as the Miranda fullfills the role where the Constition A use to however a few could be kept in reserve for diplomatic use only.

[candle_86]

a Miranda doesnt have the enternal hull space of a Connie, also a Connie has more room for science. It would make the smarter choice.

[knightstorm]

a Miranda doesnt have the enternal hull space of a Connie, also a Connie has more room for science. It would make the smarter choice.

But the Excelsior does.  Starfleet adopted a class which could perform the Constitutions role better.  Relegating the ships to secondary duties was a waste of resources when they had the Mirandas which could do the job just as well.