Topic: 64bit Win7

[toasty0]

I go to download it, it goes to testing and I get to watch a little circle draw for a long time, then get bored after an hour, click close.  Guess I'll be waiting for my next computer to run it. (skipping Vista altogether).

Can you gimme the specs on your box. I'm curious and would like figure out why it's not installing on your box. I've installed various editions of 7 now and the only time I ran into any problem was on some really souped up HP laptops. The problem you describe is the same.

Otherwise, the longest an install has taken from inserting the DVD to login has been 23 minutes.

[manitoba1073]

I go to download it, it goes to testing and I get to watch a little circle draw for a long time, then get bored after an hour, click close.  Guess I'll be waiting for my next computer to run it. (skipping Vista altogether).

Can you gimme the specs on your box. I'm curious and would like figure out why it's not installing on your box. I've installed various editions of 7 now and the only time I ran into any problem was on some really souped up HP laptops. The problem you describe is the same.

Otherwise, the longest an install has taken from inserting the DVD to login has been 23 minutes.

 Yea that what it sounds like to me too, toastyo.


  Yet for those that hate Vista, Ive had no problems with it. None. Tried linux twice and both times after the install it locked up my comps due to needing a password for which none should have been needed. What a waste of 2 dvd disks.

 I love my vista ultimate. I may eventually get win7 when I make my next pc but who knows when Ill be able to. So far the only ones that Ive known to come across problems with Vista have been all OE's. ( Operator Error ) Sucks I cant get my free win7 ultimate since I wasnt a beta tester, or my free upgrade since I cant find my vista receipt. lol btw anyone have a spare reciept 

[marstone]

My system is an older amd 64 bit machine. 

I downloaded the win7 system check and it says I am good to go for win7.  But I might run into problems in that I have winXP 32 bit running on it.  So the download checker might not like me trying to download the 64bit version.

Thinking of that, I will try and get the 32 bit version and see if that works, but I do want the 64 instead.

*edit*
Nope I get past the log in to my microsoft account, and then a screen with a green circle of dots just sits there on both the 64 and 32 bit download paths.  The windows 7 upgrad advisor says my system is fine for win7, will just let the loader run in the background longer, I know the advisor took awhile to go through my systems so maybe I am just to impatient.

[Dash Jones]

I'm excited about Win 7 myself, as long as they do away with the resource heavy hog that Vista is/was.  It still has some of the items that I hold strongly against Vista...but at the same time, my main concern is gaming on the PC.  If it works a LOT better then Vista, they may be able to sell me on it.  I've been holding off on buying a new top of the mill gaming computer until Win 7 comes out, which means I'm way behind the times now.  I'm just hoping Win 7 runs games as well as they finally got WinXP to run games (and WinXP was pretty terrible when it first came out...but since Win7 is built off much of what they did with Vista, I'm hoping for a better release with Win 7).

PS:  How do I get a Windows Live account?

Nevermind, I followed the link they had and just got one.

I might need help in installation later...if I install this, is it the same format overall as WinXP, so I can reinstall WinXP onto the drive later without any worries?  Toasty or Pest you seem to know your way around the different Windows Formats...do you know?

[Pestalence_XC]

I assume that we are well past the Win7 download time, aren't we?  3.4 GB is doable, I think I have a site at home listed somewhere that you could upload to teh internets, but that's a pretty big upload, would take forever.  Not sure I want to inconvenience you to that level. 

I think the end date for the Dl is August 20th.. so you still have some time.

[Pestalence_XC]

I'm excited about Win 7 myself, as long as they do away with the resource heavy hog that Vista is/was.  It still has some of the items that I hold strongly against Vista...but at the same time, my main concern is gaming on the PC.  If it works a LOT better then Vista, they may be able to sell me on it.  I've been holding off on buying a new top of the mill gaming computer until Win 7 comes out, which means I'm way behind the times now.  I'm just hoping Win 7 runs games as well as they finally got WinXP to run games (and WinXP was pretty terrible when it first came out...but since Win7 is built off much of what they did with Vista, I'm hoping for a better release with Win 7).

PS:  How do I get a Windows Live account?

Nevermind, I followed the link they had and just got one.

I might need help in installation later...if I install this, is it the same format overall as WinXP, so I can reinstall WinXP onto the drive later without any worries?  Toasty or Pest you seem to know your way around the different Windows Formats...do you know?

Not sure about what you call a resource hog.. if you are running sidebar and the Vista Aero eyecandy, then Windows 7 is the same.. 1.5 GB for the OS.. with them turned off, 700 MB.

However any decent gaming machine is 64 bit running between 4 to 16 GB DDR 3 memory, with the average being 8GB system memory.. however even on a 4 GB system.. Windows 7 can run anything you throw at it.


As for XP.. I recommend that you partition your drive.. it makes no difference that you have 64 bit or 32 bit for Windows 7, except 32 bit will have a memory limit of 3.5 GB where 64 bit offers 128 GB + system memory capability.

If you partition your Hard Drive, just follow my instructions in the Vista Dual Boot thread and you can choose Windows 7 or XP at start up.. both OS run independantly.. and it makes no difference if you have 8GB system memory installed.. Windows XP will only recognize 3.5 GB of it where Windows 7 will recognize all of it.

To get a windows Live account.. just go to https://account.live.com and sign up for a new account.. they may prompt for you to make a Hotmail or MSN email address, but making one is totally unnecessary.. just use your regular email address in the appropriate blank..

Once creating an account, you have access to Windows Live messenger and a few other goodies (though I don't use 60% of them).

Anyhow I hope that this helps.

[Dash Jones]

Well, I've held off on buying a new gaming rig ever since Vista came out, so I'm limited to 2 Gig right now.  Waiting for Win 7 to actually get a new top of the line computer...but waiting for quite a while.  Probably was a good thing though, since my current computer kept getting older and older...I had more and more time to study instead of trying to play up to date games.

PS:  Downloading now.  So If I get this straight, just d/l and install, and then it will do the entire authenticating type thing (how long will that take), i then input my Windows live account login and that will give me a key?

[Dash Jones]

I have the product key...still d/'ing, as they said, it will take several hours.  next, I suppose I install and then enter the product key...what should I expect then...will it activate with a few days chance to get an activation key, or will it do the activation key right then?

[Dracho]

I installed it on an AMD Toledo 939 with an Asus AN78 Deluxe motherboard and 2 GB of PC3200 ram (my sandbox machine) and it runs just fine.  The only issue is finding a driver that will see the ULI raid controller, which is Nvidia's fault for buying and killing Uli, rather than Microsoft's.

[Dash Jones]

So, since I have an Nvidia card I have to find a driver for it?  AFter install is there a generic driver that works with a GForce 6800 in Win 7 Beta whilst I install the other driver?

[marstone]

okay got it downloading now. 

I changed my browser to Internet Exploder and it worked just fine, who would have thunk it.  Microsoft products not downloading on a non microsoft browser.

[Clark Kent]

Not I, considering web browsers are supposed to work on a standardized system.

[Dracho]

So, since I have an Nvidia card I have to find a driver for it?  AFter install is there a generic driver that works with a GForce 6800 in Win 7 Beta whilst I install the other driver?

Typically, the brand drivers are always better than the generic ones.

[Pestalence_XC]

I have the product key...still d/'ing, as they said, it will take several hours.  next, I suppose I install and then enter the product key...what should I expect then...will it activate with a few days chance to get an activation key, or will it do the activation key right then?

The product Key will activate Windows 7 RC1.. there are no additional keys to fool with.

So, since I have an Nvidia card I have to find a driver for it?  AFter install is there a generic driver that works with a GForce 6800 in Win 7 Beta whilst I install the other driver?

Go to www.NVidia.com and DL the driver for Windows 7.. either x64 or x32 depending on which install you plan on using.. I believe NVidia has supported the 6XXX series in the Windows 7 Deiver line up.. also Windows Update once Windows 7 is installed will update your drivers.. however I don't trust MS with drivers, so getting them from the device manufacterurs (not system builder) is the best option.

Also NVidia Windows 7 drivers are now WHQL certified and are no longer Beta.

Also, if you have a device where the site does not list a Windows 7 Driver, but it does list a Vista driver.. Vista driver = windows 7 driver.. just make sure your driver matches for x64 bit or x32 bit.

[Dash Jones]

I have the product key...still d/'ing, as they said, it will take several hours.  next, I suppose I install and then enter the product key...what should I expect then...will it activate with a few days chance to get an activation key, or will it do the activation key right then?

The product Key will activate Windows 7 RC1.. there are no additional keys to fool with.

So, since I have an Nvidia card I have to find a driver for it?  AFter install is there a generic driver that works with a GForce 6800 in Win 7 Beta whilst I install the other driver?

Go to www.NVidia.com and DL the driver for Windows 7.. either x64 or x32 depending on which install you plan on using.. I believe NVidia has supported the 6XXX series in the Windows 7 Deiver line up.. also Windows Update once Windows 7 is installed will update your drivers.. however I don't trust MS with drivers, so getting them from the device manufacterurs (not system builder) is the best option.

Also NVidia Windows 7 drivers are now WHQL certified and are no longer Beta.

Also, if you have a device where the site does not list a Windows 7 Driver, but it does list a Vista driver.. Vista driver = windows 7 driver.. just make sure your driver matches for x64 bit or x32 bit.

Excellent, thanks.  That's one step up already for Win 7 then, having the card makers have drivers for it BEFORE it goes final (even more impressive, they have it for the Beta).

I suppose that answers the question I had though, which in truth was more on whether the generic driver works enough for me to see what I'm doing in order to install the Nvidia drivers.

No authentication except for the product key?  I think I'm going daft...did I hear that right?

I have the ISO burned, going to swap hard drives, and basically use an older hard drive I don't use anymore (a 160 Gig) to install the Win 7 Beta.  That way if anything goes wrong, I just swap the hard drives back and presto, I'm back in business.  Thanks for the help thus far.

[marstone]

same plan I have, put in extra drive.  Install win764.  Use bios select to pick what drive to boot from so I can use win764 or xp32.

Yes it does seem only need to code to authenticate.  But when trial time runs out cripple mode kicks in.  But it is long anough to see if I want to get win7 or skip it also.

[toasty0]

For those of you who're thinking of doing a dual install with Win7 using 2 HDDs be sure to have all your chipset updates.

[Dash Jones]

Give me a heads up on what you are referring to?  Wouldn't Win 7 cover all the chipsets for it's OS if booted from it, so just as like the generic video card drivers to give me a visual, it should have something to work with the processor?

[marstone]

Give me a heads up on what you are referring to?  Wouldn't Win 7 cover all the chipsets for it's OS if booted from it, so just as like the generic video card drivers to give me a visual, it should have something to work with the processor?

yeah, not sure what you mean by having all the chipsets  updated.  I currently have two copies of XP32 on this machine, each on a different drive.  (was faster updating to a larger main drive that way)

Looking at putting in a removable bay so I can swap out drives to change OS's, so will have XP, win7-64, and a linux 64 bit version (to be picked out at some time, any suggestions for a good distro to use?)

Just burned the DVD for win7, going to test if it works and then see about doing some installing over the weekend.  Just can't get rid of my old xp as it has all my programming stuff in here and don't want to convert it to 64 bit code yet

[Pestalence_XC]

What was ment by chipsetf on dual boot is that each OS is independant .

when you start your maching on Dual Boot.. you have a choice of OS.. in this case the choice of Windows 7 and XP.

Each OS has its own independant registry and as such, each will require their own drivers for your hardware.. IE chipsets..

so basically you install Windows 7, update from MS, then update Drivers, MS C++ 2005 and 2008 runtimes and update .Net Framework, Update to IE 8, get your Java from Sun Microsystems, and then get your Adobe products installed..

Then you follow my Dual Boot Guide

Then you restart into XP and get it set up, update from MS, then update Drivers, MS C++ 2005 and 2008 runtimes and update .Net Framework, get your Java from Sun Microsystems, and then get your Adobe products installed..


Now you have 2 independant OS on your system.. 1 for all current softwaqre and about 60% of old software.. and 1 for old software that will not work properly on Windows 7 (Like SFC Dynaverse).

for someone like Marstone.. you could go Tripple Boot..

Now my Dual Boot guide uses HDD partitions, however you can use multiple drives for added security and less chance of catastrophic data loss if the drive dies in the future.