Topic: Star Trek Movie Rating ...

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Just got back and not particularly impressed.   The first thing I noticed was the lack of chemistry.  Not surprising because the two main characters hate each other's guts..

The plot?   Can't describe it without spoiling it for those who wish to see it.

Good CGI.  Big whoop.  That's not my Trek.   Stellar CGI does not a Trek movie make.

What caused my eyebrows to be raised in scepticism was ...... the hereafter altered time line of Trek.

Sure, that's good for JJ but I don't care to see this franchise tossed into the air like the chaff off the wheat.

I was hoping for Trek continuity.  A reaffirmation to Gene's Star Trek.   That didn't happen.

In short, I didn't leave the theatre enthused.   I left bewildered and disappointed.  Ambivalent. Almost sad.

This is what JJ has done to our legendary crew?    And the ship itself?    Sorry.   That's not the USS Enterprise.


Just giving my honest assessment as one who watched the original series and became a devoted fan.


Now the rating...  from 0 to 10

Story line:   5

The characters:  4

The score:  2

The CGI effects:  9

The villain: 1

Overall final rating: 4.2




           

                                                              Rest In Peace Enterprise

[Khalee1]

But but but  CGI and flashy special effects is what gets people to the movies and say Man what a kick ass show. Who cares if the plot and acting are week in action movies flashy special effects is where it's at today.

And your generous with your ratings of the characters and story line got the villian right on tho.

[knightstorm]

Well, I just got my bootleg copy of it, and I'm up to the part where Vulcan is destroyed.  The film is confirming my low expectations so far.  The only good thing I can say about it is that it is better than the Spirit.

[Kruk]

Oh well, to each his own.

I love the old Trek and I also loved this new Trek. Already saw it 4 times in theatres.

On a side note, death to movie piracy.

[Fedman NCC-3758]

JJ would have done better than fiddle with the legendary crew of the USS Enterprise.

He should have focused on a new crew of a different ship.  The mission could have remained the same, space exploration.

Then I wouldn't have cared what he did.  Of course that would have required original thought.

[Kruk]

And it most likely would have bombed.

People love Kirk, Spock and McCoy. It's a winning formula.

[knightstorm]

People didn't see this film for Kirk and Spock.  This film was made for non-fans.  I personally think its success has more to do with the massive marketing and hype machine that Abrams set up for it, which allowed a film that is worse than ST Nemesis to bring in the dough. 

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Had JJ launched a new ship with a new crew ...... it could well have been a success.

Though I will say I thought Ben Cross was good as Sarek ...... and did anyone recognize the Vulcan elder who warned Spock no Vulcan had ever turned down an offer to join the Vulcan Science Academy?

[Kruk]

People didn't see this film for Kirk and Spock.  This film was made for non-fans.  I personally think its success has more to do with the massive marketing and hype machine that Abrams set up for it, which allowed a film that is worse than ST Nemesis to bring in the dough.

Funny, I know lots of fans that like it.

But then again, your mind was made up about the film sucking months before it actualy came out. The fact that lots of people are saying this is the best Trek movie or second behind Wrath of Khan speaks volume.

[knightstorm]

It says they want this film to be good so badly that they're seeing quality in it that isn't there.  When I watch it, I see horrible plotholes, juvenile toilet humor, idiotic science on par with what I would expect from a low budget b movie, a spaceship with a *^$%ing propeller, and an implication that the crew of the original Enterprise were somehow predestined to end up in their place in life, and even though they've lived drastically different lives, in the end they will always end up together (a position in the nurture vs. nature argument that does not fit in with Star Trek.)

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Just about any one of us on this board could have come up with a better screenplay and story line than JJ managed.

Since Andor is a major member of the UFP and we have yet to see Andorians in a motion picture .... the story line could have shown them assisting their Terran allies against Klingon acts of provocation.  The Trek franchise could be well served by showing why the UFP is such a powerful alliance and what binds those worlds together.

No, we have to once again delve into time travel .... shredding the concept of the time/space continuum.

[AcePylut]

Here's what makes a good trek movie...

Does anyone still remember seeing this latest movie? 

Hows about TWOK?

Which one do you think is going to be talked about, analyzed, every scene investigated... in 1 month, 6 months, 1 year, etc?

[Rod ONeal]

Just saw the movie. Surprisingly, the "new Enterprise" isn't what I like least about the movie. Did I miss Kirk actually graduating from the academy? Goes right from cadet to captain in one mission. Kirk wasn't tough enough nor was he established as a womanizer, a "player", enough IMO. The established characters of Spock and Uhura are destroyed in this new version. The story line is very weak. No surprises that you didn't see coming. Special effects work, but nothing that really wowed me. Nothing that was breaking new ground in that department. The other characters (McCoy, Scott, etc...) I thought were well written and acted. The acting for all roles was well done though. Any flaws in the characters are the fault of the writers, not the actors. I don't mind the time travel plot. Except that it was done to destroy the Trek timeline we already know. We are left with it being some sort of predestined thing that the crew got together.

Everything else in the Trek universe has changed, but somehow these individuals still end up together and Kirk has never even been assigned to a ship before becoming captain of Starfleet's flag ship.   

[Ravok]

Well, I just got my bootleg copy of it, and I'm up to the part where Vulcan is destroyed.  The film is confirming my low expectations so far.  The only good thing I can say about it is that it is better than the Spirit.

 Stealing is wrong.

 And how can we expect an honest criticisms, from somebody, who used dishonest means, to arrive to his conclusions?

[EmeraldEdge]

           

                                                              Rest In Peace Enterprise

She's so beautiful.  There are some aspects of the new one that don't bother me (some that do) but this beauty, is timeless.  I mean, even by today's standards, she doesn't look a bit outdated, imo.  I just saw the pic and was overwhelmed by here for a moment.  Proceed with the conversation at hand.

[knightstorm]

Well, I just got my bootleg copy of it, and I'm up to the part where Vulcan is destroyed.  The film is confirming my low expectations so far.  The only good thing I can say about it is that it is better than the Spirit.

 Stealing is wrong.

 And how can we expect an honest criticisms, from somebody, who used dishonest means, to arrive to his conclusions?

So basically, the only way I could satisfy you would be to sell out my own beliefs, and helping TROST to murder Star Trek.  If I had not seen this bootleg, you and all of your ilk would have continued to criticize me for judging the film without seeing it despite the fact that everything he had released gave me a good indication of what garbage this film is.Abrams has raped and murdered something which I have enjoyed since I was in grade school, and I have no regrets about punishing him in even a small way as retaliation.  If I had seen this abomination in theaters, you would have criticized me for betraying my own values.

[Corbomite]

...... and did anyone recognize the Vulcan elder who warned Spock no Vulcan had ever turned down an offer to join the Vulcan Science Academy?

I believe his name is J. Morgan Sheppard and he was in a second season episode of TNG where he played a cybernetics/computer expert who taught Data's "father" everything he knew and then, when he found out he was dying, transfered his consciousness into Data. He was also in a Voyager episode where he played a crazy space hunter trying to kill a giant telepathic ship eater. He also played the Klingon taskmaster of the asteroid prison in ST6 - "Klingon Blood Is Bubblegum Pink!"   


Personally, I thought the movie would have been much better if Tyler Perry had been dressed as Madea when playing the Commander of Starfleet. 

[Fedman NCC-3758]

William Morgan Sheppard. 

I remember him from other films but in particular, he was the Klingon warden on Rura Penthe.


               

[Corbomite]

William Morgan Sheppard. 

Ahhh, I knew I didn't have it quite right.

[Czar Mohab]

Heh - was also the soul hunter in B5's Soul Hunter, Warleader G'Sten in The Long, Twighlight Struggle (also B5); the TNG episode you refer to he played Dr.Ira Graves, the title is The Schizoid Man... and to top off the ones I know - Voyager's Bliss where he plays Qatai. Playing from memory, I believe this one to be the "pitcher plant" episode...

Czar "Thought the face was familiar, but the Klingon above put it all together," Mohab