Topic: The bash Star Trek XI movie thread. Pro Trek XI posters need not apply

[candle_86]

I saw this opening day, and a few things stand out to me.

1. Kelvin, I would belive the alternate timeline story if not for Kelvin. Please someone explain how that bridge fits between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701? At least with Enterprise they tried to make it look older tech wise than TOS, but for Kelvin Abrams threw cannon out the window. IT looks like a kitbash between Star Trek VI's bridge and the Reletivity honestly.

2. Nero's went back and time and altered the tmeline. Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but shouldn't someone have said hey wait a minute. You would think reletivity would intervene, or at least a timeship in generals to prevent this drastic change.]

3. The Technology, how did there technology jump 100 years ahead of its time, are we to belive that just becase on star ship was destroyed by an unknown vessel (happens alot in classic trek) that star fleet somehow made there tech look like it would normally by the time the Enterprise D launched.

4. Why did they use the shuttle to get to the ships? Its an emergency, and star fleet has transporters, star ships have transporters, wouldnt it be easier and faster to just beam the crew to the ship?

5. Kirk goes from cadet to captain from one mission. This is totally unbelivable

6. How the hell is Checkov on the ship, he would still be in Elemtry school in the late 2250's remember in 2267 he was a raw engisn freash from the acadamey.

[knightstorm]

I saw this opening day, and a few things stand out to me.

1. Kelvin, I would belive the alternate timeline story if not for Kelvin. Please someone explain how that bridge fits between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701? At least with Enterprise they tried to make it look older tech wise than TOS, but for Kelvin Abrams threw cannon out the window. IT looks like a kitbash between Star Trek VI's bridge and the Reletivity honestly.

2. Nero's went back and time and altered the tmeline. Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but shouldn't someone have said hey wait a minute. You would think reletivity would intervene, or at least a timeship in generals to prevent this drastic change.]

3. The Technology, how did there technology jump 100 years ahead of its time, are we to belive that just becase on star ship was destroyed by an unknown vessel (happens alot in classic trek) that star fleet somehow made there tech look like it would normally by the time the Enterprise D launched.

4. Why did they use the shuttle to get to the ships? Its an emergency, and star fleet has transporters, star ships have transporters, wouldnt it be easier and faster to just beam the crew to the ship?

5. Kirk goes from cadet to captain from one mission. This is totally unbelivable

6. How the hell is Checkov on the ship, he would still be in Elemtry school in the late 2250's remember in 2267 he was a raw engisn freash from the acadamey.

1. I agree, at first glance the Kelvin looks like it fits into canon, but once you see the inside, you realize it doesn't.
2.You would think
3. Supposedly, the Kelvin took high res scans of the Narada which resulted in Starfleet reverse engineering some of its 24th century technology and incorporating it into its ships.  That's why the Enterprise is entering service over ten years later than it did in canon.  I personally don't find that explanation believable, but when do things have to make sense in TROST's universe?
4. Once more, TROST doesn't care if things make sense
5. As someone who hate's this film, and its universe, I have to concede that we've beaten that horse to death here
6. Apparently Chekov is some sort of math prodigy.  Also keep in mind that Starfleet isn't very selective in this timeline.  They accept Kirk despite the fact that he has a criminal record.

[marstone]

I saw this opening day, and a few things stand out to me.

1. Kelvin, I would belive the alternate timeline story if not for Kelvin. Please someone explain how that bridge fits between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701? At least with Enterprise they tried to make it look older tech wise than TOS, but for Kelvin Abrams threw cannon out the window. IT looks like a kitbash between Star Trek VI's bridge and the Reletivity honestly.

2. Nero's went back and time and altered the tmeline. Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but shouldn't someone have said hey wait a minute. You would think reletivity would intervene, or at least a timeship in generals to prevent this drastic change.]

3. The Technology, how did there technology jump 100 years ahead of its time, are we to belive that just becase on star ship was destroyed by an unknown vessel (happens alot in classic trek) that star fleet somehow made there tech look like it would normally by the time the Enterprise D launched.

4. Why did they use the shuttle to get to the ships? Its an emergency, and star fleet has transporters, star ships have transporters, wouldnt it be easier and faster to just beam the crew to the ship?

5. Kirk goes from cadet to captain from one mission. This is totally unbelivable

6. How the hell is Checkov on the ship, he would still be in Elemtry school in the late 2250's remember in 2267 he was a raw engisn freash from the acadamey.

1. I agree, at first glance the Kelvin looks like it fits into canon, but once you see the inside, you realize it doesn't.
2.You would think
3. Supposedly, the Kelvin took high res scans of the Narada which resulted in Starfleet reverse engineering some of its 24th century technology and incorporating it into its ships.  That's why the Enterprise is entering service over ten years later than it did in canon.  I personally don't find that explanation believable, but when do things have to make sense in TROST's universe?
4. Once more, TROST doesn't care if things make sense
5. As someone who hate's this film, and its universe, I have to concede that we've beaten that horse to death here
6. Apparently Chekov is some sort of math prodigy.  Also keep in mind that Starfleet isn't very selective in this timeline.  They accept Kirk despite the fact that he has a criminal record.

4.  for safety you would have people transfer from a hostile ship to yours by shuttle craft so you don't have to drop your shields.  Even with the ships are unbalanced, a good salvo through a down shield could make a difference.  Also as a mining ship, they didn't seem to have a large crew.  So dropping your shields to have the enemy transport over, they could transport a large attack force in and outnumber them in HTH.

[knightstorm]

4.  for safety you would have people transfer from a hostile ship to yours by shuttle craft so you don't have to drop your shields.  Even with the ships are unbalanced, a good salvo through a down shield could make a difference.  Also as a mining ship, they didn't seem to have a large crew.  So dropping your shields to have the enemy transport over, they could transport a large attack force in and outnumber them in HTH.

I think he was referring to that dramatic scene at the beginning where all of the cadets were transported to their assigned ships via shuttle craft.

[marstone]

4.  for safety you would have people transfer from a hostile ship to yours by shuttle craft so you don't have to drop your shields.  Even with the ships are unbalanced, a good salvo through a down shield could make a difference.  Also as a mining ship, they didn't seem to have a large crew.  So dropping your shields to have the enemy transport over, they could transport a large attack force in and outnumber them in HTH.

I think he was referring to that dramatic scene at the beginning where all of the cadets were transported to their assigned ships via shuttle craft.

Possible, but when ships are shut down, shuttles would be used.  Then all the shuttles are on the ground and need to be taken back up for when the ship is readied to go.

But I have relooked at the thread this is under and forgot I am not to post here.  So enjoy the thread guys.

[candle_86]

yes im refering to when all the cadets go aboard. Also the crew is 400 people, we only saw the officers aka cadets go aboard her, so there was a crew, she was being readied for the situation. Remember Star Trek V when an emergency occured they beamed all staff except kirk up because he didnt take his communicator so they couldnt locate him. Imeediate threat emergency, in TMP they used the shuttle cause there was a problem with the transporters, clearly said in dialouge. At least they explained why they needed the dramatic shuttle scene.

As for Chekov he was about 20 in 2267, so he is what 10 or 11 when this movie takes place? He doesnt look 10 or 11 to me.

And scans of the narda, doesnt mean crap, we have scans of the borg, but we have yet to be able to replicate there technology.

[knightstorm]

yes im refering to when all the cadets go aboard. Also the crew is 400 people, we only saw the officers aka cadets go aboard her, so there was a crew, she was being readied for the situation. Remember Star Trek V when an emergency occured they beamed all staff except kirk up because he didnt take his communicator so they couldnt locate him. Imeediate threat emergency, in TMP they used the shuttle cause there was a problem with the transporters, clearly said in dialouge. At least they explained why they needed the dramatic shuttle scene.

As for Chekov he was about 20 in 2267, so he is what 10 or 11 when this movie takes place? He doesnt look 10 or 11 to me.

And scans of the narda, doesnt mean crap, we have scans of the borg, but we have yet to be able to replicate there technology.

Actually, they sent the shuttle in STV because the transporters weren't working.  The thing about Kirk not bringing the communicator came up because the shuttle arrived in the middle of the night when they were trying to sleep.  Sending all of the cadets over by shuttle is ludicrous however.  As for Chekov, I don't think they ever stated his age in canon, so he could be a few years older, although still younger than he appeared in this film.  His presence is an indication of TROST's desire to have the entire crew on the ship whether their presence makes sense or not.  As for the scans of the Narada, I said it was a stupid bs explanation, but it was the one that the writers gave in interviews.  Remember this PoS is NOT Star Trek.  It is a pathetic low brow scifi film that mocks everything that Star Trek was.

[EmeraldEdge]

heh, you'd have thought the least they could do was have a young boy watching the shuttles launch and saying "Wow, I'm going to be there some day" followed by some older, fatherly gentleman shouting "Chekov, come along!" lol.  There, he's included in the story, age appropriate and everyone still gets a little wink and a smile because they know he will be there.

Perhaps this is like the original Casino Royale.  Is it a Bond film?  yes, technically it is.  but is it really?

[candle_86]

heh, you'd have thought the least they could do was have a young boy watching the shuttles launch and saying "Wow, I'm going to be there some day" followed by some older, fatherly gentleman shouting "Chekov, come along!" lol.  There, he's included in the story, age appropriate and everyone still gets a little wink and a smile because they know he will be there.

Perhaps this is like the original Casino Royale.  Is it a Bond film?  yes, technically it is.  but is it really?

Casino Royale was at least enjoyable, I wouldn't have liked Star Trek XI had it been called another name either. The plot makes no sense, the ship design looks like they talked to George Lucas's art director for the prequels and the sets look like they updated the NESA protector

[Dash Jones]

yes im refering to when all the cadets go aboard. Also the crew is 400 people, we only saw the officers aka cadets go aboard her, so there was a crew, she was being readied for the situation. Remember Star Trek V when an emergency occured they beamed all staff except kirk up because he didnt take his communicator so they couldnt locate him. Imeediate threat emergency, in TMP they used the shuttle cause there was a problem with the transporters, clearly said in dialouge. At least they explained why they needed the dramatic shuttle scene.

As for Chekov he was about 20 in 2267, so he is what 10 or 11 when this movie takes place? He doesnt look 10 or 11 to me.

And scans of the narda, doesnt mean crap, we have scans of the borg, but we have yet to be able to replicate there technology.

Breaking the ban here since I liked the movie...BUT...maybe after the incident with the Rogue Time Traveling Romulans who spent years in a Klingon Prison because they were too stupid to be able to destroy a fleet of Klingons (like they did later) the first time they met, some people got busy and Chekov came just a wee bit sooner then he did in the other timeline...

[Storvick_XC]

In the movie Chekov mentions he is 17 to Kirk and company.

[Centurus]

Whenever I think of the Bastardprise, I'm reminded of an episode of Family Guy where one of the characters had a massive underbite so bad that his jaw could be used as a bird bath.