Topic: Old School Trekkies opinion of JJ's Trek.

[marstone]

Heck, cloak shouldn't even work on the new StarTrek ships anyway.  If the Enterprise was able to detect the compression/disturbance of matter in space by a ship moving at high warp so they could lock tractor beams on it.  How could a ship moving in space not do the same when cloaked.  Sometimes canon is done in shows just to make an episode work out, and it doesn't fit in well overall.

[TheStressPuppy]

TNT "The New Trek" Ironic acronym since the new movie does start off with a bang. Is a now canon new timeline effectively wiping out all canon from TOS forward. So i really think canon arguments are now irrelevant. There will be a new canon, and If JJ is running the show then i think it will be brilliant.

Notice the Klingon "warbirds" aka the D-7 remained unchanged. They looked just like they did in TOS. except they are green now. Like in trials and tribbulations. I was kinda miffed at Kirk and crew referring to them as "warbirds". That was supposed to be reserved for romulan ships. Klingon D-7's were Battlecruisers. Just a small nit pick, and really not that important. There were very few nit picky things i could find in the new movie compared to the old movies.

"If" there is an SFC4 i would really like it to be classic SFB. With updated ship designs of course because some SFB designs are just awful eyesores. The SFB we all know is an alternate universe in itself. So trek canon also does not apply to SFB. SFB was based off of the Franz Joseph tech manual. Then went all fanon from there. Very good until the fighter/PF spam was introduced. I liked Federation and Empire as well. Wish they could pull off a game like that.

[FoaS_XC]

I liked Federation and Empire as well. Wish they could pull off a game like that.

I completely agree.

[Norsehound]

I thought the Klingon "Warbirds" were grey. I'd like to get a look at them too... and we get the first canonical look at the Kobyashi Maru! It also looked like one of the other starships in the fleet was a miranda lookalike... though the megaphasers were replaced by hangar pods. Hopefully we'll get more on the other ships of the movie!

And I agree, JJ is the way to go. Make Trek exciting to watch again.

[knightstorm]

Heck, cloak shouldn't even work on the new StarTrek ships anyway.  If the Enterprise was able to detect the compression/disturbance of matter in space by a ship moving at high warp so they could lock tractor beams on it.  How could a ship moving in space not do the same when cloaked.  Sometimes canon is done in shows just to make an episode work out, and it doesn't fit in well overall.

I thought the purpose of the spread,was to damage a wider area, as well as to compensate for enemy jamming, and to make it impossible to shoot down photons.  Also, while it is not cannon, the technical manuals which were written by the production staff can be used to interpret what goes through the writer's mind when formulating certain scenes.  They state that the torp carries a limited supply of antimatter which is used as both fuel and warhead.  The longer it travels, the less effective it is, so firing a spread over a wider area would guarantee that at least some of the torps hit with more power.

[marstone]

Heck, cloak shouldn't even work on the new StarTrek ships anyway.  If the Enterprise was able to detect the compression/disturbance of matter in space by a ship moving at high warp so they could lock tractor beams on it.  How could a ship moving in space not do the same when cloaked.  Sometimes canon is done in shows just to make an episode work out, and it doesn't fit in well overall.

I thought the purpose of the spread,was to damage a wider area, as well as to compensate for enemy jamming, and to make it impossible to shoot down photons.  Also, while it is not cannon, the technical manuals which were written by the production staff can be used to interpret what goes through the writer's mind when formulating certain scenes.  They state that the torp carries a limited supply of antimatter which is used as both fuel and warhead.  The longer it travels, the less effective it is, so firing a spread over a wider area would guarantee that at least some of the torps hit with more power.

I will agree a spread is to help to overcome jamming.  If your targetting computer is off a degree or two because of jamming, you could miss a whole volley, if you spread (even just .25 degree seperation) you incread your chance to hit even if the targeting is off alittle.  As for rest, haven't read the tech manuals on that, so can't say.

I always assumed it was more of a rail gun over using a fuel to run.  Or the coffin with spock would also have needed an anti-matter space when it was shot into space.  (how much jelly do you think Spocks body turned into when accelerated from zero to near light speed in a fraction of a second, ewww).

[FA Frey XC]

Photon torpedoes in ST are seeking, photon torpedoes in SFB are direct fire.

We're still doing a SFC4, and by the Gods this movie just made me want to do it again.

 

Regards,

[Age]

I saw it twice today, the movie was fricking amazing.   I'm 35 so I guess I count as old.

I trust JJ better than B&B at being the steward of the Trek franchise.   I just hope there's enough interest to get a pro-funded SFC4.

I just hope that model isn't put in the game.

[KBF-Crim]

Photon torpedoes in ST are seeking, photon torpedoes in SFB are direct fire.

We're still doing a SFC4, and by the Gods this movie just made me want to do it again.

 

Regards,

WOOT!

oooooooooooooooooook...I'll go see the damn thing...

But I'm going on half off tuesday...with the sure knowledge that this is an alternate timeline....

[EmeraldEdge]

Well, not to be too off topic.  I always thought of Photons as being seeking, just that their maneuverability to speed ratio was such that they were in effect direct fire, and best represented as such in SFB.  Given the space that has to be traveled in a game like SFB (and in real space) any weapon like a torpedo would have to have some sort of in flight course correction system, but given it's velocity, it can't make the moves that a slower drone or plasma torp is capable of, thus careening off into the distance, if you're lucky enough to cause a miss.

[FPF-DieHard]

Well, not to be too off topic.  I always thought of Photons as being seeking, just that their maneuverability to speed ratio was such that they were in effect direct fire, and best represented as such in SFB.  Given the space that has to be traveled in a game like SFB (and in real space) any weapon like a torpedo would have to have some sort of in flight course correction system, but given it's velocity, it can't make the moves that a slower drone or plasma torp is capable of, thus careening off into the distance, if you're lucky enough to cause a miss.

Sidewinder misses are seeking, they can still miss.

[EmeraldEdge]

right, but my take on why they, photon torpedoes, are direct fire in SFB is that they are so high velocity that there really wasn't a way to represent it accurately as it would take less than an impulse to reach it's target (or reach it's maximum distance).  Each hex represents a very large amount of space, so the odds of hitting anything in that space, if it's moving, and all the other variables, would probably require some degree of course correction, but at that speed it could hardly crank a decent turn ratio.

[knightstorm]

That and the fact that making them direct fire, basically made them and disrupter bolts two sides of the same coin.