Topic: Old School Trekkies opinion of JJ's Trek.

[TheStressPuppy]

Most that know me know i was a die hard TOS fan being that i am now 45 and grew up on only TOS (till the movies came out, and i saw them all in the theater on release day).

Everyone i know was skeptical to outright hostile about jj's new vision of Star Trek. I was a bit skeptical as well. I didnt like the new Big-e design when i first saw the pics... and OMG yet ANOTHER overused time travel plot.

Well i just got back from the theater to watch the reboot.. Yes, it IS a reboot. To the highest degree it is a reboot. The time line is irreparably altered in favor of the new reality. However JJ did a freaking AWESOME job of it! I cant believe it! he pulled it off. The new actors fit the roles without trying to mimic the old actors. Pine as Kirk... shaky start, but ended perfect. Spock is spot on. Mccoy needs a little more work IMO, but he did well enough. I am dissapointed that there wasn't enough character development for the villains.

The movies FX were nothing short of perfection. We aren't inundated with CGI explosions, and the shootyness that everyone expected from jj. Ships are awesome, FX are awesome. the new Big-e is awesome now that i have seen it from all angles, and in action.

The way everything transpired in the movie was classic trek to a t. JJ did indeed do his homework. Its definitely rebooted, and different, but it has the classic trek feel.

This is "New" trek. We will always have "Classic" trek. As the original kirk said.. Young minds, Fresh ideas. I like how this new trek was done.

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

I have yet to see it, but this is very promising. Thanks for the heads up.

[psytce]

Most that know me know i was a die hard TOS fan being that i am now 45 and grew up on only TOS (till the movies came out, and i saw them all in the theater on release day).

Everyone i know was skeptical to outright hostile about jj's new vision of Star Trek. I was a bit skeptical as well. I didnt like the new Big-e design when i first saw the pics... and OMG yet ANOTHER overused time travel plot.

Well i just got back from the theater to watch the reboot.. Yes, it IS a reboot. To the highest degree it is a reboot. The time line is irreparably altered in favor of the new reality. However JJ did a freaking AWESOME job of it! I cant believe it! he pulled it off. The new actors fit the roles without trying to mimic the old actors. Pine as Kirk... shaky start, but ended perfect. Spock is spot on. Mccoy needs a little more work IMO, but he did well enough. I am dissapointed that there wasn't enough character development for the villains.

The movies FX were nothing short of perfection. We aren't inundated with CGI explosions, and the shootyness that everyone expected from jj. Ships are awesome, FX are awesome. the new Big-e is awesome now that i have seen it from all angles, and in action.

The way everything transpired in the movie was classic trek to a t. JJ did indeed do his homework. Its definitely rebooted, and different, but it has the classic trek feel.

This is "New" trek. We will always have "Classic" trek. As the original kirk said.. Young minds, Fresh ideas. I like how this new trek was done.

As a 47 year old fan who went to the 2nd (or 3rd) annual Star Trek convention at the Statler Hilton in NYC way back in '73 I have 1 thing to say .....

I am with you, the reboot is a success!!!!!

[marstone]

I find it sad, that us 'old' timer fans are more willing to see the new movie then the younger second gen or newer fans.  Guess we oldies did to good a job bringing in  the new guys.

[FoaS_XC]

I find it sad, that us 'old' timer fans are more willing to see the new movie then the younger second gen or newer fans.  Guess we oldies did to good a job bringing in  the new guys.

That might be true in some cases, but I'm not so sure. I guess you could consider me a "second generation" fan, but I absolutely loved this film.

[The_Joker]

As another Old-Timer, I am also quite pleased with the new movie.  My favorite part is how a traditional Star Trek plot item is used to explain why so much stuff is different.  I found it so obvious after the fact that it was brilliant.

[Villa64]

I find it sad, that us 'old' timer fans are more willing to see the new movie then the younger second gen or newer fans.  Guess we oldies did to good a job bringing in  the new guys.

That is an interesting observation.

There was a long time for the older guys where the only thing out there that was new was the latest "there may be a ST movie!", and maybe a ST convention in some other city.

Younger guys came along with one or two series always on the air.  Makes me wonder if older guys are just happy that something is there.

[marstone]

I find it sad, that us 'old' timer fans are more willing to see the new movie then the younger second gen or newer fans.  Guess we oldies did to good a job bringing in  the new guys.

That is an interesting observation.

There was a long time for the older guys where the only thing out there that was new was the latest "there may be a ST movie!", and maybe a ST convention in some other city.

Younger guys came along with one or two series always on the air.  Makes me wonder if older guys are just happy that something is there.

maybe, starting with TNG there was a long run of StarTrek always being on the air.  I've enjoyed most of the series, but interest for me wained as each series dragged on and I think plots got way to thin.  DS9 some loved when the dominion war stuff started, I stopped watching at that time.  I figure that when you run out of ideas, throw in war, no real need for plot or depth.

So yeah, I like as each new one starts, but don't drag it beyond a noble death.

[SSCF-Patterson]

Most that know me know i was a die hard TOS fan being that i am now 45 and grew up on only TOS (till the movies came out, and i saw them all in the theater on release day).

Everyone i know was skeptical to outright hostile about jj's new vision of Star Trek. I was a bit skeptical as well. I didnt like the new Big-e design when i first saw the pics... and OMG yet ANOTHER overused time travel plot.

Well i just got back from the theater to watch the reboot.. Yes, it IS a reboot. To the highest degree it is a reboot. The time line is irreparably altered in favor of the new reality. However JJ did a freaking AWESOME job of it! I cant believe it! he pulled it off. The new actors fit the roles without trying to mimic the old actors. Pine as Kirk... shaky start, but ended perfect. Spock is spot on. Mccoy needs a little more work IMO, but he did well enough. I am dissapointed that there wasn't enough character development for the villains.

The movies FX were nothing short of perfection. We aren't inundated with CGI explosions, and the shootyness that everyone expected from jj. Ships are awesome, FX are awesome. the new Big-e is awesome now that i have seen it from all angles, and in action.

The way everything transpired in the movie was classic trek to a t. JJ did indeed do his homework. Its definitely rebooted, and different, but it has the classic trek feel.

This is "New" trek. We will always have "Classic" trek. As the original kirk said.. Young minds, Fresh ideas. I like how this new trek was done.

Well I too am an old bugger, and did enjoy this movie.  Yes Delta Vega is a lithium cracking station, and I didn't see upperclassman Finnegan picking on Kirk at least once at the academy, but with the reworking of the time line, I do think Abrams has managed to pull this off, and IMO has managed to appease a few of us old buggers.



This is how I rated the new crew:

1st Place - Karl Urban as Bones (I'm a doctor not a physicist, "pointed-eared hobgoblin" yes he's got the sarcasm down. But I would have liked to heard "He's dead Jim")

2nd Place - Zachary Quinto as Spock (Enjoyable to watch, thought he got the Spock we know and love down fairly good)

3rd Place - Chris Pine as Kirk (he does like his women, and he does strike out. Damn you Abrams for messing around with our conception of Kirk's sex life. I always believed he never missed  )

4th Place - Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike (no complaints, and is old enough to remember the parking brake)

5th thru 8th Place - Simon Pegg (Scotty - I hope he get's more time in the sequel), Zoe Saldana (Uhura - lets see how see sings), John Cho (Sulu - not quite a fencing foil but a good job), Anton Yelchin (Chekov - again, more time in the sequel)

9thPlace - The Orion Woman

Oh I throw this link for intrest sake:
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/630948

Overall, I and my boy's thought it was a good movie. And if my boy's believe that these are the "new" voyages of the Starship Enterprise than what the hell. Let's boldly go......

[Norsehound]

I'm not an 'old timer', but I grew up when TNG was on the air. My dad was a TOS fan, and I fell in love with TOS while I was growing up, and saw Trek 6 in theaters. Somehow TNG and it's successors didn't resonate with me in the same way TOS did, and I wished for a return to the themes and setting of TOS.

Well, with the reboot, it seems I have my wish.

Conversely, my father (who was around for the original run) doesn't want to see the characters and show 'ruined' and doesn't want to see it. Ah well....

[Kruk]

I'm speechless and want to see it again now.

Kobyashi maru part was hilarious

[FoaS_XC]

I'm speechless and want to see it again now.

Kobyashi maru part was hilarious

I agree - especially the bit with the apple >.<

I hope to go back and see it again soon.

[The_Joker]

I'm speechless and want to see it again now.

Kobyashi maru part was hilarious

I agree - especially the bit with the apple >.<

I hope to go back and see it again soon.

Yeah...nice nod to Wrath of Khan there.

[FPF-DieHard]

I saw it twice today, the movie was fricking amazing.   I'm 35 so I guess I count as old.

I trust JJ better than B&B at being the steward of the Trek franchise.   I just hope there's enough interest to get a pro-funded SFC4.

[FoaS_XC]

I saw it twice today, the movie was fricking amazing.   I'm 35 so I guess I count as old.

I trust JJ better than B&B at being the steward of the Trek franchise.   I just hope there's enough interest to get a pro-funded SFC4.

Oh man, that would be the day! ^_^

[Brush Wolf]

Another thumbs up from an old timer. Watched the original series in glorious black and white since we didn't have color in my house until 1973.

[EmeraldEdge]

I do agree with Die-hard here.  I would trust JJ any day over B&B.  I mean, they proved it time and time again that they were duds.  As for a pro-funded SFC4... well what kind of game would that be, based on this film (which you can bet it wouldn't be based on SFB).  Were all weapons (well most) direct fire phasers/torpedoes, as was the case with just about everything post-TOS?  Would there be any basis for a variety of weapons systems that would require different tactics?

[Sirgod]

I do agree with Die-hard here.  I would trust JJ any day over B&B.  I mean, they proved it time and time again that they were duds.  As for a pro-funded SFC4... well what kind of game would that be, based on this film (which you can bet it wouldn't be based on SFB).  Were all weapons (well most) direct fire phasers/torpedoes, as was the case with just about everything post-TOS?  Would there be any basis for a variety of weapons systems that would require different tactics?

That right there from you and Die hard was the only thing I needed to hear.

I loathe what B&B did to the series.

Stephen

[knightstorm]

From a SFC4 perspective we want this film to flop.  The more successful it is the harder its going to be to get permission from paramount.  Also, photon torpedoes in cannon are seeking weapons.  Remember in STVI where Spock and McCoy modified the torpedo's guidance system to track the exhaust from Chang's ship?

[marstone]

From a SFC4 perspective we want this film to flop.  The more successful it is the harder its going to be to get permission from paramount.  Also, photon torpedoes in cannon are seeking weapons.  Remember in STVI where Spock and McCoy modified the torpedo's guidance system to track the exhaust from Chang's ship?

in that one example yes.  But then why the other programs do they fire photons with a spread to increase chance of hitting.  I have never liked that a small tracking weapons has better guidance then the whole Enterprises sensor suite to find the exhaust of a warship.

[marstone]

Heck, cloak shouldn't even work on the new StarTrek ships anyway.  If the Enterprise was able to detect the compression/disturbance of matter in space by a ship moving at high warp so they could lock tractor beams on it.  How could a ship moving in space not do the same when cloaked.  Sometimes canon is done in shows just to make an episode work out, and it doesn't fit in well overall.

[TheStressPuppy]

TNT "The New Trek" Ironic acronym since the new movie does start off with a bang. Is a now canon new timeline effectively wiping out all canon from TOS forward. So i really think canon arguments are now irrelevant. There will be a new canon, and If JJ is running the show then i think it will be brilliant.

Notice the Klingon "warbirds" aka the D-7 remained unchanged. They looked just like they did in TOS. except they are green now. Like in trials and tribbulations. I was kinda miffed at Kirk and crew referring to them as "warbirds". That was supposed to be reserved for romulan ships. Klingon D-7's were Battlecruisers. Just a small nit pick, and really not that important. There were very few nit picky things i could find in the new movie compared to the old movies.

"If" there is an SFC4 i would really like it to be classic SFB. With updated ship designs of course because some SFB designs are just awful eyesores. The SFB we all know is an alternate universe in itself. So trek canon also does not apply to SFB. SFB was based off of the Franz Joseph tech manual. Then went all fanon from there. Very good until the fighter/PF spam was introduced. I liked Federation and Empire as well. Wish they could pull off a game like that.

[FoaS_XC]

I liked Federation and Empire as well. Wish they could pull off a game like that.

I completely agree.

[Norsehound]

I thought the Klingon "Warbirds" were grey. I'd like to get a look at them too... and we get the first canonical look at the Kobyashi Maru! It also looked like one of the other starships in the fleet was a miranda lookalike... though the megaphasers were replaced by hangar pods. Hopefully we'll get more on the other ships of the movie!

And I agree, JJ is the way to go. Make Trek exciting to watch again.

[knightstorm]

Heck, cloak shouldn't even work on the new StarTrek ships anyway.  If the Enterprise was able to detect the compression/disturbance of matter in space by a ship moving at high warp so they could lock tractor beams on it.  How could a ship moving in space not do the same when cloaked.  Sometimes canon is done in shows just to make an episode work out, and it doesn't fit in well overall.

I thought the purpose of the spread,was to damage a wider area, as well as to compensate for enemy jamming, and to make it impossible to shoot down photons.  Also, while it is not cannon, the technical manuals which were written by the production staff can be used to interpret what goes through the writer's mind when formulating certain scenes.  They state that the torp carries a limited supply of antimatter which is used as both fuel and warhead.  The longer it travels, the less effective it is, so firing a spread over a wider area would guarantee that at least some of the torps hit with more power.

[marstone]

Heck, cloak shouldn't even work on the new StarTrek ships anyway.  If the Enterprise was able to detect the compression/disturbance of matter in space by a ship moving at high warp so they could lock tractor beams on it.  How could a ship moving in space not do the same when cloaked.  Sometimes canon is done in shows just to make an episode work out, and it doesn't fit in well overall.

I thought the purpose of the spread,was to damage a wider area, as well as to compensate for enemy jamming, and to make it impossible to shoot down photons.  Also, while it is not cannon, the technical manuals which were written by the production staff can be used to interpret what goes through the writer's mind when formulating certain scenes.  They state that the torp carries a limited supply of antimatter which is used as both fuel and warhead.  The longer it travels, the less effective it is, so firing a spread over a wider area would guarantee that at least some of the torps hit with more power.

I will agree a spread is to help to overcome jamming.  If your targetting computer is off a degree or two because of jamming, you could miss a whole volley, if you spread (even just .25 degree seperation) you incread your chance to hit even if the targeting is off alittle.  As for rest, haven't read the tech manuals on that, so can't say.

I always assumed it was more of a rail gun over using a fuel to run.  Or the coffin with spock would also have needed an anti-matter space when it was shot into space.  (how much jelly do you think Spocks body turned into when accelerated from zero to near light speed in a fraction of a second, ewww).

[FA Frey XC]

Photon torpedoes in ST are seeking, photon torpedoes in SFB are direct fire.

We're still doing a SFC4, and by the Gods this movie just made me want to do it again.

 

Regards,

[Age]

I saw it twice today, the movie was fricking amazing.   I'm 35 so I guess I count as old.

I trust JJ better than B&B at being the steward of the Trek franchise.   I just hope there's enough interest to get a pro-funded SFC4.

I just hope that model isn't put in the game.

[KBF-Crim]

Photon torpedoes in ST are seeking, photon torpedoes in SFB are direct fire.

We're still doing a SFC4, and by the Gods this movie just made me want to do it again.

 

Regards,

WOOT!

oooooooooooooooooook...I'll go see the damn thing...

But I'm going on half off tuesday...with the sure knowledge that this is an alternate timeline....

[EmeraldEdge]

Well, not to be too off topic.  I always thought of Photons as being seeking, just that their maneuverability to speed ratio was such that they were in effect direct fire, and best represented as such in SFB.  Given the space that has to be traveled in a game like SFB (and in real space) any weapon like a torpedo would have to have some sort of in flight course correction system, but given it's velocity, it can't make the moves that a slower drone or plasma torp is capable of, thus careening off into the distance, if you're lucky enough to cause a miss.

[FPF-DieHard]

Well, not to be too off topic.  I always thought of Photons as being seeking, just that their maneuverability to speed ratio was such that they were in effect direct fire, and best represented as such in SFB.  Given the space that has to be traveled in a game like SFB (and in real space) any weapon like a torpedo would have to have some sort of in flight course correction system, but given it's velocity, it can't make the moves that a slower drone or plasma torp is capable of, thus careening off into the distance, if you're lucky enough to cause a miss.

Sidewinder misses are seeking, they can still miss.

[EmeraldEdge]

right, but my take on why they, photon torpedoes, are direct fire in SFB is that they are so high velocity that there really wasn't a way to represent it accurately as it would take less than an impulse to reach it's target (or reach it's maximum distance).  Each hex represents a very large amount of space, so the odds of hitting anything in that space, if it's moving, and all the other variables, would probably require some degree of course correction, but at that speed it could hardly crank a decent turn ratio.

[knightstorm]

That and the fact that making them direct fire, basically made them and disrupter bolts two sides of the same coin.