Topic: Thoughts on the end of BSG, possible fleet in the works for it...SPOILERS

[FoaS_XC]

So, for those of you who have seen the finale of Battlestar Galactica, according to the mythos, we - humans of this Earth - are descendants of the Rag Tag Fleet. One hundred fifty thousand years after the discovery of our Earth by the rag tag fleet, here we are. My thoughts have led me to this: What happens a few thousand years from now, for us? (please note, for this exploration, when I refer to we, I mean the humans of Earth within the mythos of the show).

I wonder what would happen when we were to reinvent the FTL jump drive. We could discover the wreck of the Adriatic and the Carina (the Passage), would we find kobol, the old earth, and the twelve colonies. In the show all we heard about was the Caprican resistance, we've never heard anything regarding survivors of the other colonies. Perhaps they survive, barely, and regress a hundred millennium just as we did. What happens when we find our long-lost brethren from the colonies. I think that the most likely and eventful occurrence is that the colonials have developed a largely feudal society, but who knows.

What ever happened to the centurions that left on the Cylon base star? could they still be out there roaming the galaxy? what would happen should we encounter them? I also see something to do with the first hybrid (he mentions he would return in ways unknown, mwahahahaha).

There is a huge possibility here, I feel. I wonder if anyone has any input

[Lieutenant_Q]

I never thought I'd actually say this...

(braces himself)

I actually preferred Galactica 1980 over the way they ended this...

(screams and runs down the street to the nearest pub...hoping to drink away the memory of saying that...)

[Star Dragon]

Forget the pub. You better run to the hills from the pitchfork waving mob!!!

  G80 indeed!


Anyway, if you ever go over to the Spacebattles site. We do a lot of cross over stories about people finding the "Colonials". They usually donlt end well. Seems most people like to portray them as more exaggerated versions of what we saw on screen. Arrogant, shortsighted, backstabbng, reactionaries. 

[marstone]

Personly I don't see us (Mythos Humans) recreating the battlestar shape (not untill finding either remnants of the 12 colonies or possibly a wreck of a Battlestar) As for the probable surviviors on the other 11 colonies. Would the genepool be viable enough (with megatonnes of nuclear waste in the atmosphere's and a very small population) to repopulate the planets. Adama said that (our) Earth has more life than the whole of the 12 colonies combined.... I personally Don't think there would be any surviviors.... Unless the Centurians decided to make amends for the "skin jobs" Sins..... I dunno this requires a lot of thought.

I figured that Adama was speaking metaphisically(sic).  The life he was speaking of was more then just the populations on the planet but of the planet itself.  Sort of saying that this one planet was better suited for life then all their own homeworlds combined.

[FoaS_XC]

Personly I don't see us (Mythos Humans) recreating the battlestar shape (not untill finding either remnants of the 12 colonies or possibly a wreck of a Battlestar) As for the probable surviviors on the other 11 colonies. Would the genepool be viable enough (with megatonnes of nuclear waste in the atmosphere's and a very small population) to repopulate the planets. Adama said that (our) Earth has more life than the whole of the 12 colonies combined.... I personally Don't think there would be any surviviors.... Unless the Centurians decided to make amends for the "skin jobs" Sins..... I dunno this requires a lot of thought.

I figured that Adama was speaking metaphisically(sic).  The life he was speaking of was more then just the populations on the planet but of the planet itself.  Sort of saying that this one planet was better suited for life then all their own homeworlds combined.

I thought the same as well.

I also agree that we wouldn't produce the well-known battlestar shape in ship design... however, I think that the survivors of the colonies would.

[Starfox1701]

All I'll say is it's happened before it will happen again. I did like the ending except the finnal fate of Glactica. And as for recreating the shape. Well form follows function. I the old girl had not had artifical gravity then the shape would have been very different. But taking that into account I think it has always been a very logical design.

[JohanobesusII]

...I also see something to do with the first hybrid (he mentions he would return in ways unknown, mwahahahaha).

Moore unfortunately didn't have the chops to come up with a decent way to tie everything together.  The hybrid said, "As my own existence comes to a close, only to begin anew, in ways uncertain.... All this has happened before, and will happen again, and again, and again...." At that point every indication was that the whole cycle business was basically the same idea as in Lexx: "Time begins and then time ends/And then time begins once again./It is happening now./It has happened before./And it will surely happen again."  The hybrid probably meant that he will exist in the next cycle of time, and the next, etc. 

He also said, "Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end.... They must not follow her."  While it is likely that almost all of the colonials died within a couple of years, those that didn't were absorbed into the native population.  We have to be pretty generous to give the hybrid an interpretation that is correct.  So he must have been wrong or lying.

Personly I don't see us (Mythos Humans) recreating the battlestar shape (not untill finding either remnants of the 12 colonies or possibly a wreck of a Battlestar) As for the probable surviviors on the other 11 colonies. Would the genepool be viable enough (with megatonnes of nuclear waste in the atmosphere's and a very small population) to repopulate the planets. Adama said that (our) Earth has more life than the whole of the 12 colonies combined.... I personally Don't think there would be any surviviors.... Unless the Centurians decided to make amends for the "skin jobs" Sins..... I dunno this requires a lot of thought.

Somehow the thirteenth tribe of Cylons created centurions with a very similar design to the centurions made by the twelve colonies two thousand years later.  Maybe "god" caused it to be so, and will make our descendants build the same basic design.  He evidently made humans and dogs and who knows what else to evolve independently on at least two planets. 

Gah, Olmos threatened to walk off the set if there were aliens, but having a literal Deus ex machina is just fine? 

I prefer to think that the whole thing is a VR recreation, with the humans just sophisticated AI's.  "God" is the master control program, or maybe a real person running the show.  That makes much more sense than what we saw in the last season.

Don't forget that there were basestars that didn't die with the Colony.  Cavil's Cylons are still out there too.  They probably went back to Caprica, since they had already started to rebuild there, to research either resurrection or reproduction.  If nothing else they should have been able to just clone new generations.  Maybe, as the last clones died, the centurions might have been freed.

[Starbuck1979]

Actually, the BSG Reimagining leaves the door open for the Original BSG to be occurring in a current timeline.  Remember, the book of Pythia opens with "All this has happened before and all this will happen again."

In answer to the original post of this thread.  Who is to say that the Centurions haven't succumbed to a "higher calling" which later leaves them in conflict with a different fleet of survivors who found a world they chose to name Kobol and later expanded outward from as the world perished, resulting in the BSG:TOS.

Personally, even though I am a fan of the original, I felt Ron Moore did a decent job with his series, AND it leaves the door open for the original, much as Abram's Trek leaves the original intact.

[Starforce2]

all I can say is the BSG series was nothing more than a space soap opera with crappy cylon ships and a dumb plot. I hope the new movie goes back to the way it should be...what few eps I've seen of the original...they are way better than anything the new series had to offer.

[candle_86]

I saw the mini series when it started and didnt much like it lol

[FA Frey XC]

all I can say is the BSG series was nothing more than a space soap opera with crappy cylon ships and a dumb plot. I hope the new movie goes back to the way it should be...what few eps I've seen of the original...they are way better than anything the new series had to offer.

*shakes head*

You kids these days.

WTF.

*sigh*

Regards,

[FA Frey XC]

I saw the mini series when it started and didnt much like it lol

It's spelled DAEDALUS

Regards,

[Magnum357]

all I can say is the BSG series was nothing more than a space soap opera with crappy cylon ships and a dumb plot. I hope the new movie goes back to the way it should be...what few eps I've seen of the original...they are way better than anything the new series had to offer.

*shakes head*

You kids these days.

WTF.

*sigh*

Regards,

Indeed.  Kids these days...    And Frey is right, you spelled your ship wrong, unless thats the name of a different ship.  As for the "Re-invisioned" BSG, I thought it was ok, it wasn't designed to be like Star Trek.  Maybe that is why some Star Trek fans are negative torward it.

[marstone]

all I can say is the BSG series was nothing more than a space soap opera with crappy cylon ships and a dumb plot. I hope the new movie goes back to the way it should be...what few eps I've seen of the original...they are way better than anything the new series had to offer.

*shakes head*

You kids these days.

WTF.

*sigh*

Regards,

Indeed.  Kids these days...    And Frey is right, you spelled your ship wrong, unless thats the name of a different ship.  As for the "Re-invisioned" BSG, I thought it was ok, it wasn't designed to be like Star Trek.  Maybe that is why some Star Trek fans are negative torward it.

I will have to say, I didn't like the new BSG when it started, but I warmed up to it.   Sometimes you just have to enjoy these movies/shows for what they are, ENTERTAINMENT.  Enjoy, move on to the next one.

Sad to say, but the original BSG had way more cheesy episodes then the new one, IMHO.

[atheorhaven]

Said it before, saying it again..

Any show that makes me yell "FOCUS" and want to slap the handycam operator when they're showing space shots doesn't get my time to try and focus on the ship, or the plot.  Gets me too seasick, and that makes Alec flip the channel.

I *might* try and run the video of it someday through some kind of video stabilizer so that the herky jerk spastic CGI camera shots are actually watchable.. but the way it is now, it's like watching a movie with Corey Haim from the 80's.. trying to be cool and painful to watch.

I guess next, we'll see some fusion series... BSGoonies.

"A group of kids embark on a wild adventure after finding a map.  A map that leads them to an old ship, and on the screen.. a blinking flight path to something called... Galactica"

Sorry... was a fan of the old series, and lost all interest in the new one completely off the CGI in the first few epsiodes.  For the record, not such a big fan of the BSG inspired remake of Trek either.  "Is that beer, or warp coolant?"  geez...

Maybe down the road, the interior shots in the new Trek movie can be replaced with reasonable CGI reflecting pre or TOS... now I'm just dreaming. 

[marstone]

Said it before, saying it again..

Any show that makes me yell "FOCUS" and want to slap the handycam operator when they're showing space shots doesn't get my time to try and focus on the ship, or the plot.  Gets me too seasick, and that makes Alec flip the channel.

I *might* try and run the video of it someday through some kind of video stabilizer so that the herky jerk spastic CGI camera shots are actually watchable.. but the way it is now, it's like watching a movie with Corey Haim from the 80's.. trying to be cool and painful to watch.

I guess next, we'll see some fusion series... BSGoonies.

"A group of kids embark on a wild adventure after finding a map.  A map that leads them to an old ship, and on the screen.. a blinking flight path to something called... Galactica"

Sorry... was a fan of the old series, and lost all interest in the new one completely off the CGI in the first few epsiodes.  For the record, not such a big fan of the BSG inspired remake of Trek either.  "Is that beer, or warp coolant?"  geez...

Maybe down the road, the interior shots in the new Trek movie can be replaced with reasonable CGI reflecting pre or TOS... now I'm just dreaming. 

I will agree about "jerky" the cam operator.  In ship shots were alright (mostly), outside, well, I got used to it.

I was about 11 or so when BSG first aired.  Had to be home for every episode.  But the show was just a string of non connected episodes.  It was good, and I really disliked the new one when it first came out.  Actually had to watch the first season on vid as I wouldn't watch when it first came out.

I let it grow on me.  Now I really like it.

Now my brother was excited when he heard that BSG was being redone, but when he heard that Starbuck was a chick.  He dropped watching it altogeather and has never seeen an episode.  Everyone has to make up there own mind I guess.

Oh, seen a great cartoon of cylons awhile ago.  One scene in it, the main cylon turns to the cam and says "Hey Twitchy, switch to decaff.  And get your finger off the frak'n zoom"

[Kreeargh]

If that tech arived on past earth but not used i wonder what type of tech would be found on mars in the same time line that is ? A cylon/ colonial ground war on mars could have easly made its state as it is in present time. The colonials won and moved to earth he he just a thought.

[Starforce2]

all I can say is the BSG series was nothing more than a space soap opera with crappy cylon ships and a dumb plot. I hope the new movie goes back to the way it should be...what few eps I've seen of the original...they are way better than anything the new series had to offer.

*shakes head*

You kids these days.

WTF.

*sigh*

Regards,

LOL. It's the old BSG I like. The new one I hate. The new cyclon ships (well, the base stars) look like shadow ripoffs from B5, and humaizing the cylons sucks too. They were way more scary looking when they were nothing but marching toasters. That'd be like..turning all borg drones into beings like commander data or closer to human like seven. It takes away from their menacing and overwhealming feeling that makes the battles with them that much more enjoyable when they get beat.

[intermech]

I really like seeing a space saga where all technology is equal to or less than what we have today. I like how they did not really go into explaining the ship technologies, they were just there and taken for granted. I am surprised to hear that is supposedly happened ages ago. I was really hoping that the 13th colony would end up being modern day earth. The fan boy in me wanted to see a modern day earth with Star Gate's Deadalus standing ready to assist (but I knew that was an impossibility). Some day I will catch up on what I missed.

[Norsehound]

Moore had the chance to do better with his series, but in the end it seems he didn't. Instead of hokey 70s in space, we have a lobotomized plot and incoherent nonsense that tries to pass itself off as mysticism. "God did it" indeed! Most writers when they throw in a deus ex machina at the end of the plot are called out on it and depreciated accordingly, especially for such a show that was praised for its "realism". What excuse does Moore have to make him an exception to this? Was the allure of soap drama in space an excuse for continual contradictions and retcons?

I wasn't alive when the original aired, but I invested in the original premise because I liked the mythology, the ship designs, and the plot that the last of humanity was running from genocidal aliens who would quash them no sooner than they would squash insects. Moore altered all of these points on a fundamental level, so I have no interest in his new show as BSG. As sci-fi the continual retcons to the backstory and overbearing drama and pessimism made this a show I didn't want to watch as sci-fi, either.

I still can't understand why this show was held in high esteem, given the flaws I see in the writing. I guess sci-fi goers needed a space soap of their own? The pew-pew outdid the plot?

[Magnum357]

Hmmm... an interesting anaylisis Norsehound.  From what I understand, most people didn't like the idea of the Colonials and Cylons working together and forming an aliance.  Most agree that is what reuined the show.  I tend to disagree to a point.  Keep in mind that those were "rebel" cylons that disagreed and conflicted with "Cavils" Cylons that allied (what few that broke away) with the Colonials. 

In a way, I had a feeling this was going to happen because lets say that the Cylons were successful in wipping out all of the Colonials, what then?  Sooner or later, the "evovled" cylons would face the same problems and situations that the Colonials once did building there civilization and would have to deal with it somehow, even if the way a Cylon culture works is "alien" to how a colonials culture functions, its just the way the universe works I guess. 

For story telling, this probably seems stupied, conflict seems to be the one of the constants of the universe (which is why some people would prefer that the Colonials and Cylons just stay seperate and duke it out).  From what I could tell, I think Moore wasn't designing the "re-envisioned" Battlestar Galactica as a "space opera", but more like a greatly detailed novel of a story. 

One thing I do think the TOS Battlestar Galactica has an advantage over the new show is the simplicity.  Granted, no where near as sophisticated as this "re-imagined" BSG, but sometimes those simple episodes can still be satisfying if you got nothing else to watch.   

[Norsehound]

In regard to the cylons, I feel what ruined the show there was that they had no clear motivation.

They bombed the colonies and dropped hints that there was an ulterior motive for this ("And they have a plan...") but it seems to me the writers never did. They kept the mystery and drama of what the Cylons wanted up in the air but offered contradicting clues as to what that plan was. They wanted to harvest ovaries. They wanted to outgrow their parents. Etx. In the end, didn't Eick admit that they slapped on "And they have a plan" because it sounded cool, and for no other reason?

Other villains, even ones that reform, have some reason for doing what they did to the protagonists. The Borg want to make everyone perfect, so they assimilate people. The Galactic Empire from Star wars wanted to oppress everybody, so they built a giant death station. Shaddam the IVth feared the influence of house Atreadies , so he backstabbed them politically. The original cylons hated humanity's unpredictability, so they must be killed.

Moore's cylons? God did it. Apparently God made the cylons blow up the colonies so the radioactive, socially backward remnants could bounce across the universe, breed with the cylons, and give hera to Earth. That premise alone sounds as convoluted as some bad fanfiction, yet that seems to be what we're left with, no? And yet Moore gets gushing praise for "The best Sci-fi show on television".

[Magnum357]

In the end, didn't Eick admit that they slapped on "And they have a plan" because it sounded cool, and for no other reason?

With all due respect then, if Eick came up with the "and they have a plan", isn't he more at fault here then Moore?  Just kidding.   

But I do agree, the ora of "mystery" is probably what made the show a block buster then anything.