Topic: So on May the 8th Star trek will die

[Ronin]

It's a movie, gents. No one is altering time or remaking the universe we live in here. Yes, I have my own opinion about it, but really, is it worth arguing over?

I am reminded of a certain phrase we have all likely heard.

"Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." - St. Francis of Assisi

Though really... I have to admit... the arguing is entertaining.

*cloaks*

[Ravok]

I wonder how much Nimoy is being paid for that BS.  And psytche, you may be tired of being told how much this film is going to suck, but I'm tired of being derisively called a cannonite, and being told that I should give this film a chance.  TROST has released nothing to indicate that this film is not going to be a rape of Star Trek.  As for why I'm complaining, I consider released elements of the film's plotline to be unbelievable stupid.  I also see TROST retconning away elements of the Star Trek cannon which I felt set it apart from low brow scifi.  I think its idiotic that he has to stuff the entire TOS cast onto the Enterprise on its maiden voyage.  And I don't even want to go into discussing Sulu with the folding katana here.

 Jesus !! aren't you just Mr Merry Sunshine.

 Everybody is entitled to an opinion, show the same respect they have shown you.

 Just because somebody disagrees with you, does not mean they insulting you, or are against you.

[toasty0]

I'm starting to become concernced about what amounts to some people's obsession with Sulu's katana. It's a family film fer gawd's sake!

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

I'm starting to become concernced about what amounts to some people's obsession with Sulu's katana. It's a family film fer gawd's sake!

LOL, I think the problem was that he had a rapier in the original show. In an interview, Takei said that the writers wanted him originally to have a katana, but he told them that, as a kid, he played "make believe" as a swashbuckler, not a samurai... so the writers changed it around.

For the new movie, Sulu's character shouldn't have to carry around a samurai sword just because he is Japanese. His character wasn't stereotyped in the original show, so I don't get why they would do that now.

[knightstorm]

I'm starting to become concernced about what amounts to some people's obsession with Sulu's katana. It's a family film fer gawd's sake!

Roy pretty much summed up my objection to that scene.  For me it comes as another one of those WTF moments.

[toasty0]

Ok, so the problem is that you find it stereotyping that he now has a katana instead of a rapier but the fact that his name is Sulu never bothered you as stereotyping?

*shrug*

 

[knightstorm]

Ok, so the problem is that you find it stereotyping that he now has a katana instead of a rapier but the fact that his name is Sulu never bothered you as stereotyping?

*shrug*

 

He's an American of Filipino/Japanese ancestry, so the name isn't that stereotypical.  However, I wouldn't expect someone from his background to fight with a Katana, anymore than you would expect me to fight with a shillelagh. 

[toasty0]

Hikaru Sulu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikaru

[Ravok]

Ok, so the problem is that you find it stereotyping that he now has a katana instead of a rapier but the fact that his name is Sulu never bothered you as stereotyping?

*shrug*

 

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     The fictional character Hikaru Sulu was born in San Francisco[8], to Japanese and Filipino parents. He was shown as the USS Enterprise's staff physicist in the pilot episode, "Where No Man Has Gone Before",[9] but served as helmsman throughout the rest of the series, during which he held the rank of lieutenant.[3]

Throughout the series, Sulu is shown having many interests and hobbies, including botany,[10] fencing,[11] and ancient weaponry[12] (Spock says that he "is at heart a swashbuckler out of the 18th century").[13]

The character is promoted to lieutenant commander some time before Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and to full commander by the time of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.[8] During the first five Star Trek movies, he serves as helmsman aboard both the USS Enterprise and USS Enterprise-A.[3] He is promoted to captain and given command of the USS Excelsior three years before the events of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.[8]

Star Trek Generations[14] introduces Hikaru's daughter, Demora Sulu,[3] whose origins are also depicted in Peter David's non-canon novel The Captain's Daughter

He's an American of Filipino/Japanese ancestry, so the name isn't that stereotypical.  However, I wouldn't expect someone from his background to fight with a Katana, anymore than you would expect me to fight with a shillelagh












 

 

[Kruk]

I bet no one knows why they named the character Sulu.

I attended the Scifi spectacular at the NAC in Ottawa 2 weeks ago and it was hosted by George Takei. He said that Gene couldn't come up with a name that would represent all the Asians. Ex: Wong is chinese, Takei is japanese etc...

So he looked at the world map and saw a sea named Sulu. That sea touches most Asian countrys and therefore he named the character Sulu. Meaning it would represent all Asians in general.

I didn't know that and it was pretty interesting he mentionned that during the show.

Can't wait for the movie to come up.

Death to the cannonites   

[knightstorm]

I bet no one knows why they named the character Sulu.

I attended the Scifi spectacular at the NAC in Ottawa 2 weeks ago and it was hosted by George Takei. He said that Gene couldn't come up with a name that would represent all the Asians. Ex: Wong is chinese, Takei is japanese etc...

So he looked at the world map and saw a sea named Sulu. That sea touches most Asian countrys and therefore he named the character Sulu. Meaning it would represent all Asians in general.

Yes, I knew that, although I was under the impression that he represented Asian Americans, hence the point of him being born in San Francisco, and wielding a rapier instead of a katana.

Death to the cannonites   

You first.

[Calexandre]

In today's papers in my little part of the world there appeared an interview with the director as well as reviews by "die hard" Trekkers.

Director: I wasn't a fan of the iconic TV series.... Other Trek movies were slow in execution and lacked action

Fans: I liked the new cast, brought a wild element to Kirk... Too similar to Nemesis... but great special effects, action packed to appeal to a younger audience... flirtatious behaviour

Not to spoil the scene, but a little heads-up of what might be expected.

I for one preferred the "old and slow" approach to movies, where plot buildup occurs mostly in the viewer's brain - the action merely being a "suggested answer" to the Kirk-wannabe, so to speak.

As for the new cast - I thought, bleh, they all look rather stereotypical.  While the concept of having "hunks" to woo young people into watching is perfectly valid, I don't watch Trek for that reason. I skipped the newer Trek games for their arcadey approach to starship combat - and it looks like I am sticking to Voyager for my sci fi dose.

[Ravok]

 The thing about the new cast members,that bothers me too much, is they look way too young, to be doing the jobs they are doing.

 Its just not plausible.

 I mean for Pets sake!! Spock would still be considered a young child on Vulcan.

[Nemesis]

I would still like to see a movie that brings Kirk back to life.

Been there.  Done that.  Move on to something new.

Just how many characters have to be brought back from the dead? 

[Nemesis]

The thing about the new cast members,that bothers me too much, is they look way too young, to be doing the jobs they are doing.

Considers Ravok's age.

How young are those University graduates looking to you today? 

Don't forget with advancing medical technology people are looking younger longer and by the time of Kirk that could easily explain their youthful appearance while being much older than we would think based on their looks.

[Ravok]

The thing about the new cast members,that bothers me too much, is they look way too young, to be doing the jobs they are doing.

Considers Revokes age.

How young are those University graduates looking to you today? 

Don't forget with advancing medical technology people are looking younger longer and by the time of Kirk that could easily explain their youthful appearance while being much older than we would think based on their looks.

 Granted. but kirks still too young for command of a ship.

 And Spock ? I haven't seen the movie yet and don't know if they mentioned his age.
 But a 30 year old Vulcan is still considered a child.

 But being a Vulcan, he could be older and look younger.

[Nemesis]

Granted. but kirks still too young for command of a ship.

 And Spock ? I haven't seen the movie yet and don't know if they mentioned his age.
 But a 30 year old Vulcan is still considered a child.

 But being a Vulcan, he could be older and look younger.

I haven't seen it myself but the impression I have had is that Kirk is not the Captain of the ship but is a junior officer who is forced into the role of acting Captain due to being the highest line rank there. 

McCoy for example is not a line officer and Spock may not have been at that time so even if they outranked him he might still have been the commanding officer in the circumstances.

[Sirgod]

The thing about the new cast members,that bothers me too much, is they look way too young, to be doing the jobs they are doing.

Considers Ravok's age.

How young are those University graduates looking to you today? 

Don't forget with advancing medical technology people are looking younger longer and by the time of Kirk that could easily explain their youthful appearance while being much older than we would think based on their looks.

Ravok has a point here. The thing that tore me up with the last superman movie, was Lois was way to young.  then she had Supes kid (ok I can get past that) but going by her age, that would have made Supes a pedophile.

Stephen

[Nemesis]

I just looked up the ages of the new actors for old Trek characters.  The Enterprise crew except for Chekov are all at least in their late 20's. 

[marstone]

The thing about the new cast members,that bothers me too much, is they look way too young, to be doing the jobs they are doing.

Considers Revokes age.

How young are those University graduates looking to you today? 

Don't forget with advancing medical technology people are looking younger longer and by the time of Kirk that could easily explain their youthful appearance while being much older than we would think based on their looks.

 Granted. but kirks still too young for command of a ship.

 And Spock ? I haven't seen the movie yet and don't know if they mentioned his age.
 But a 30 year old Vulcan is still considered a child.

 But being a Vulcan, he could be older and look younger.

being half human would mess with the Vulcan aging process.